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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jan 15, 2022 19:14:59 GMT
I would be happy with him as PM.
What do you think?
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Post by mowlick on Jan 15, 2022 20:09:47 GMT
I would be happy with him as PM. What do you think? I think you should complete that application to join the Labour party. And while you are waiting you can join the rest of the Brothers and Sisters in pissing on a Union Jack
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Post by Prince Myshkin on Jan 15, 2022 21:38:42 GMT
You and this forum have a reputation for being right wing. I've always considered you more middle of the road by American standards.
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Post by mowlick on Jan 15, 2022 22:09:15 GMT
You and this forum have a reputation for being right wing. I've always considered you more middle of the road by American standards. Most UK politics is middle of the road as,I suspect, is that of the US. The Americans tend to get a bit more worked up over some matters than the British, but at the end of the day it comes down to keeping taxes down and employment up. I am not that bothered by a Labour government but not just yet. I would like to give Brexit the chance to get embedded. Once that happens the Brothers and Sisters can take over, put a shilling on the income tax and then get thrown out again. No harm done. But give it three or four years.
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Post by Prince Myshkin on Jan 16, 2022 3:25:00 GMT
You and this forum have a reputation for being right wing. I've always considered you more middle of the road by American standards. Most UK politics is middle of the road as,I suspect, is that of the US. The Americans tend to get a bit more worked up over some matters than the British, but at the end of the day it comes down to keeping taxes down and employment up. I am not that bothered by a Labour government but not just yet. I would like to give Brexit the chance to get embedded. Once that happens the Brothers and Sisters can take over, put a shilling on the income tax and then get thrown out again. No harm done. But give it three or four years. Yes, in the U.S. the back-and-forth between Democrats and Republicans overall keeps everything in the middle and avoids excesses of the extreme left or extreme right. In the U.K. you have that same dynamic between Labour and Tories.
In the U.S. we have a far right exemplified by the Christian fundamentalist loonies. They get their strength from the sheer numbers of ignorant backwoods Southerners. I mean our KKK is legend.
But in Britain you do have the National Front. Your far right wing is not so much Christian extremists - it's straight up Nazi!
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jan 16, 2022 8:54:11 GMT
You and this forum have a reputation for being right wing. I've always considered you more middle of the road by American standards. I'm actually quite centrist by British standards (maybe slightly right of centre), even though I usually vote Conservative simply because they are more competent with the economy. But I do believe in a lot of social projects.
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Post by mowlick on Jan 16, 2022 10:08:34 GMT
Most UK politics is middle of the road as,I suspect, is that of the US. The Americans tend to get a bit more worked up over some matters than the British, but at the end of the day it comes down to keeping taxes down and employment up. I am not that bothered by a Labour government but not just yet. I would like to give Brexit the chance to get embedded. Once that happens the Brothers and Sisters can take over, put a shilling on the income tax and then get thrown out again. No harm done. But give it three or four years. Yes, in the U.S. the back-and-forth between Democrats and Republicans overall keeps everything in the middle and avoids excesses of the extreme left or extreme right. In the U.K. you have that same dynamic between Labour and Tories.
In the U.S. we have a far right exemplified by the Christian fundamentalist loonies. They get their strength from the sheer numbers of ignorant backwoods Southerners. I mean our KKK is legend.
But in Britain you do have the National Front. Your far right wing is not so much Christian extremists - it's straight up Nazi!
I suspect that might be it.
In the UK we have the National Front, whose membership consists of a few hundred retired postmen, mini cab drivers, the unemployed and unemployables. Their political influence is zilch, but they can be relied upon to say something infantile and provide copy on a slow news day, so the media loves them.
I imagine things are similar in the US
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Post by yggdrasil on Jan 16, 2022 11:43:05 GMT
You and this forum have a reputation for being right wing. I've always considered you more middle of the road by American standards. Monkeys is "Tory Lite", the equivalent of a Democrat in the US. The reputation the board has is largely due to giving "free speech", it's great in theory, but tends to attract a lot of those who have been thrown off of all the other boards for extreme views. even that is usually down to just a handful of race obsessed posters.
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Post by yggdrasil on Jan 16, 2022 12:31:08 GMT
I would be happy with him as PM. What do you think? Politically, it's pretty hard to see any real difference between the Blair/Cameron/Boris/Starmer choices that have been the norm for the last few decades. The Socialist left has been pretty much expunged from the party even at grass roots level, there is a real cull been going on. The equivalent on the hard right have more power and influence with the Conservative party, but the moderates only really pay lip service to them. Socially, apart from a few nutters the two parties are identical now, so you are down to a purely economic difference about whether you help the poorest or help the richest and to what degree with both. This pandemic has sadly proven that a decade of public underfunding has had a real hit on our health services which has done a fantastic job despite the highest amount of staff vacancies ever, hopefully we will see this arrested after Covid and some proper investment rather than just wait for another catastrophe to hit. The last few years have proven one thing in politics, you elect populist leaders at your peril, for all their faults you need proper politicians running the world, not nutters.
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jan 16, 2022 14:01:02 GMT
I would be happy with him as PM. What do you think? Politically, it's pretty hard to see any real difference between the Blair/Cameron/Boris/Starmer choices that have been the norm for the last few decades. The Socialist left has been pretty much expunged from the party even at grass roots level, there is a real cull been going on. The equivalent on the hard right have more power and influence with the Conservative party, but the moderates only really pay lip service to them. Socially, apart from a few nutters the two parties are identical now, so you are down to a purely economic difference about whether you help the poorest or help the richest and to what degree with both. This pandemic has sadly proven that a decade of public underfunding has had a real hit on our health services which has done a fantastic job despite the highest amount of staff vacancies ever, hopefully we will see this arrested after Covid and some proper investment rather than just wait for another catastrophe to hit. The last few years have proven one thing in politics, you elect populist leaders at your peril, for all their faults you need proper politicians running the world, not nutters. Long reply. Typical leftist - can't get to the point.
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Post by yggdrasil on Jan 16, 2022 14:18:20 GMT
Politically, it's pretty hard to see any real difference between the Blair/Cameron/Boris/Starmer choices that have been the norm for the last few decades. The Socialist left has been pretty much expunged from the party even at grass roots level, there is a real cull been going on. The equivalent on the hard right have more power and influence with the Conservative party, but the moderates only really pay lip service to them. Socially, apart from a few nutters the two parties are identical now, so you are down to a purely economic difference about whether you help the poorest or help the richest and to what degree with both. This pandemic has sadly proven that a decade of public underfunding has had a real hit on our health services which has done a fantastic job despite the highest amount of staff vacancies ever, hopefully we will see this arrested after Covid and some proper investment rather than just wait for another catastrophe to hit. The last few years have proven one thing in politics, you elect populist leaders at your peril, for all their faults you need proper politicians running the world, not nutters. Long reply. Typical leftist - can't get to the point. Considered intelligent debate is the lifeblood of a board ya dozy cunt.
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Post by Prince Myshkin on Jan 16, 2022 20:37:59 GMT
Yes, in the U.S. the back-and-forth between Democrats and Republicans overall keeps everything in the middle and avoids excesses of the extreme left or extreme right. In the U.K. you have that same dynamic between Labour and Tories.
In the U.S. we have a far right exemplified by the Christian fundamentalist loonies. They get their strength from the sheer numbers of ignorant backwoods Southerners. I mean our KKK is legend.
But in Britain you do have the National Front. Your far right wing is not so much Christian extremists - it's straight up Nazi!
I suspect that might be it.
In the UK we have the National Front, whose membership consists of a few hundred retired postmen, mini cab drivers, the unemployed and unemployables. Their political influence is zilch, but they can be relied upon to say something infantile and provide copy on a slow news day, so the media loves them.
I imagine things are similar in the US
I think the difference is that in the U.S. the far right under the guise of Christian fundamentalism has power and influence. Our "Nazis" would be the Alt Right, more academic, and they're not particularly religious.
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Post by Prince Myshkin on Jan 16, 2022 20:41:56 GMT
You and this forum have a reputation for being right wing. I've always considered you more middle of the road by American standards. Monkeys is "Tory Lite", the equivalent of a Democrat in the US. The reputation the board has is largely due to giving "free speech", it's great in theory, but tends to attract a lot of those who have been thrown off of all the other boards for extreme views. even that is usually down to just a handful of race obsessed posters. Labour is more left than the Democrats. And the Tories are more centrist than the Republicans.
And Monkeys does have a great forum here, I must say. Even the extremists like Jill and Gwnyc bring something to the table.
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Post by yggdrasil on Jan 17, 2022 9:25:29 GMT
Monkeys is "Tory Lite", the equivalent of a Democrat in the US. The reputation the board has is largely due to giving "free speech", it's great in theory, but tends to attract a lot of those who have been thrown off of all the other boards for extreme views. even that is usually down to just a handful of race obsessed posters. Labour is more left than the Democrats. And the Tories are more centrist than the Republicans.
And Monkeys does have a great forum here, I must say. Even the extremists like Jill and Gwnyc bring something to the table. "Labour is more left than the Democrats." Well, it was our Conservatives I was comparing to the Democrats, but there is little between Labour and the Conservatives. Labour would possible be a bit more friendly to the "poorest" then your Democrats and a bit less big business friendly, but not by much. Jill is politically very similar to me, you only find socialist voices "extreme" as you don't have any in the US, even "Bernie" at best is only a Social Democrat with a wish for more social policies. As I have said elsewhere. maybe the other poster has behaved on your board, but here she had to be removed her behaviour was so unpleasant.
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jan 17, 2022 9:36:11 GMT
Long reply. Typical leftist - can't get to the point. Considered intelligent debate is the lifeblood of a board ya dozy cunt. How rude.
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