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Post by yggdrasil on Jan 24, 2022 16:07:20 GMT
Jill thinks I have a "far right" view of economics. You are both wrong in this case. Why? the State ownership model fits in nicely with socialist principles and is critical if push came to shove. How much is state and how much is trade is open to debate, but I thought you would support Socialist measures such as this.
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jan 24, 2022 16:44:57 GMT
No it doesn't - you have a state-owned part and a privately owned part. That is not insufficient. And nor is it "far-right" economics which you blithely labelled me with. I am sure you survived my "belittling". I did not notice any belittling. This has nothing to do with what I said.
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jan 24, 2022 16:46:46 GMT
I've said it before one million times and I'll no doubt say it again one million times: every country should be self-sufficient in every vital industry, meaning state ownership of part of that industry (energy, communication, finance, food, transportation, manufacturing). It is utterly nuts to be reliant on others. We seem happy to let our food self sufficiency collapse though, as have you on other threads. Wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2022 17:09:31 GMT
I am sure you survived my "belittling". I did not notice any belittling. This has nothing to do with what I said. I misread.
It has everything to do with what you said. With most European countries being members of NATO, Europe has enjoyed the longest period of peace in its history. It sure didn't hurt to have our big brother, the US, behind our back. The US has bases in Germany or Turkey, for example. And the US can use these bases, especially in the lines of the NATO contracts. It is not that difficult. Why do you think Germany was divided for so long? You don't need this big a military power in the middle of Europe. What do you want Germany or Turkey to do? To produce arms in order to attack their European neighbors?
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Post by cryptoflovecraft on Jan 24, 2022 18:49:45 GMT
NATO was created to contain Soviet expansion and protect Western Europe. Bravo! Job well done. Mission completed. The Soviet Union fell, the Warsaw Pact was dissolved and the Marxist threat is no more.
What good has NATO done for Europe since the end of the Cold War? All it's really done is isolate and aggravate post-Communist Russia, making normalization between Russia and the West all but impossible.
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Post by gwyn on Jan 25, 2022 1:40:54 GMT
I am sure you survived my "belittling". I did not notice any belittling.This has nothing to do with what I said. She saw "blithely", no doubt. She's a big fan of loosely bound uppers. Is it crack or meth these days, dear? (She's reading this so no need for tagging). You thought that was hyperbole when posted prior? Not hyperbole. This is your life now. Quibbling with an actual crackhead. How useful.
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jan 25, 2022 7:19:07 GMT
You are both wrong in this case. Why? the State ownership model fits in nicely with socialist principles and is critical if push came to shove. How much is state and how much is trade is open to debate, but I thought you would support Socialist measures such as this. It's all part of the "ignore the facts so I can compartmentalise you how I want" routine. (Her best pal whatsisname does exactly the same.)
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jan 25, 2022 20:49:37 GMT
You are both wrong in this case. Why? the State ownership model fits in nicely with socialist principles and is critical if push came to shove. How much is state and how much is trade is open to debate, but I thought you would support Socialist measures such as this. You're not going to get a sensible response from Jill because it requires reason, so please allow me to reply on her behalf: There you go.
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Post by slowcomingwarbird on Jan 26, 2022 5:57:22 GMT
I hope the US stays out of it, Ukraine isn't our concern. But the United States can't stay out of it. While Russia is building up troops around Ukraine, Russia is also cutting all the under sea internet cables that provide internet and phone services to most of Europe and the U.K. Large sections of the internet have already gone down. Both Germany and the U.K. will have start building satellite uplink arrays, or they will lose their internet and phone communications permanently. Then there is the concern that Russia will begin sinking ships that carry supplies to the United States and the U.K. as this progresses into a Hot war with Russia. Especially considering what the United States is getting ready to do next. This is well past the point of do unto them before they do unto us.
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Post by slowcomingwarbird on Jan 26, 2022 6:19:10 GMT
We seem happy to let our food self sufficiency collapse though, as have you on other threads. Wrong. There is only so much you can do in the way of self sufficiency, you all need to get used to not having to rely on phone, internet, and electronic funds such as debt and credit cards, cryptocurrency, etc. As world war 3 progresses, Russia will use it's naval fleet to sink supply ships and will shoot down and destroy communications satellites with their new weapon. The world wide internet is going to go down and I can't say for sure how long it will take to get it back up and running again. You can also expect that will cause supply chain problems. We will have to move quickly to cripple Russia's technology sector to hamper their ability to make war. Without using more primitive means that would unquestionably result in human casualties. It is a matter of cutting off the supply lines to Russia before they cut off all of our supply lines.
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