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Post by yggdrasil on Feb 11, 2022 15:37:04 GMT
"At first, these actions were described as the forced assimilation of Xinjiang, and an ethnocide or cultural genocide.[23][24] As more details emerged, some governments, activists, independent NGOs, human rights experts, and academics termed it genocide, pointing to intentional acts by the Chinese government that allegedly run afoul of Article II of the Genocide Convention.[25][26][27] The Chinese government publicly denies that it has committed human rights abuses in Xinjiang.[5][28]" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocideNo-one should be denying this and acting as apologists for this repulsive act by China.
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Feb 12, 2022 8:47:34 GMT
You keep saying genocide and I ask every time "where is the genocide?" and you don't answer. So again, where is the genocide? You won't answer because there isn't any and you are spreading misinformation. Additionally, the Brexit vote was in 2016. chinese slave labour camps were only a rumour among a small number of journalists back then. So expecting everyone to have dropped Brexit and make that the priority is ridiculous. Still, facts optional, eh? And yes, Brexit is about cucumbers. Truly pathetic that you think your country's freedom is about cucumbers. Shows how little you value Britain. Perhaps a move to across the water would be the best thing for you. Defending China as usual, what a surprise. I defend truth, something you lefties don't seem to be interested in. And you give no answer, as usual, because there isn't any.
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Post by yggdrasil on Feb 12, 2022 9:25:03 GMT
Says it all really.... www.ft.com/content/321ffeaf-58b7-4ed5-a367-4d175edbab8a Boris Johnson is pushing to forge closer UK economic ties with China by reviving a bilateral forum focused on trade and investment, in a move that has angered some Conservative MPs. British officials said the prime minister has authorised a restart of the annual UK-China Joint Economic and Trade Committee, which has not met for four years amid increasing tensions between the two sides. The news was first reported by Politico. Chancellor Rishi Sunak has meanwhile given the go-ahead to a resumption of the UK-China Economic and Financial Dialogue, an annual summit also focused on trade and investment, which has not taken place since 2019.
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Feb 12, 2022 9:41:56 GMT
Says it all really.... www.ft.com/content/321ffeaf-58b7-4ed5-a367-4d175edbab8a Boris Johnson is pushing to forge closer UK economic ties with China by reviving a bilateral forum focused on trade and investment, in a move that has angered some Conservative MPs. British officials said the prime minister has authorised a restart of the annual UK-China Joint Economic and Trade Committee, which has not met for four years amid increasing tensions between the two sides. The news was first reported by Politico. Chancellor Rishi Sunak has meanwhile given the go-ahead to a resumption of the UK-China Economic and Financial Dialogue, an annual summit also focused on trade and investment, which has not taken place since 2019. It does say it all. Now, about this genocide - where is it?
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Post by yggdrasil on Feb 12, 2022 10:46:08 GMT
Says it all really.... www.ft.com/content/321ffeaf-58b7-4ed5-a367-4d175edbab8a Boris Johnson is pushing to forge closer UK economic ties with China by reviving a bilateral forum focused on trade and investment, in a move that has angered some Conservative MPs. British officials said the prime minister has authorised a restart of the annual UK-China Joint Economic and Trade Committee, which has not met for four years amid increasing tensions between the two sides. The news was first reported by Politico. Chancellor Rishi Sunak has meanwhile given the go-ahead to a resumption of the UK-China Economic and Financial Dialogue, an annual summit also focused on trade and investment, which has not taken place since 2019. It does say it all. Now, about this genocide - where is it? Read the Wikipedia entry and stop making excuses and being an apologist for the Chinese. Doesn't make for a good look.
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Feb 12, 2022 10:51:31 GMT
It does say it all. Now, about this genocide - where is it? Read the Wikipedia entry and stop making excuses and being an apologist for the Chinese. Doesn't make for a good look. Oh sure, the media says there's genocide. Ahem. I'll take the dictionary over some twat. And no-one's apologising - I'm the biggest criticiser of china on here and you know it having told me in the past I have an obsession. I'm just not in favour of people spreading misinformation like this. Now, where's the genocide?
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Post by yggdrasil on Feb 12, 2022 11:27:20 GMT
General Secretary Xi Jinping, has pursued policies that incarcerated more than an estimated one million Muslims (the majority of them Uyghurs) in internment camps without any legal process.[2][3][4] This is the largest-scale detention of ethnic and religious minorities since World War II.[5][6] Thousands of mosques have been destroyed. Government policies have included the arbitrary detention of Uyghurs in state-sponsored internment camps,[9][10] forced labor,[11][12] suppression of Uyghur religious practices,[13] political indoctrination,[14] severe ill-treatment,[15] forced sterilization,[16] forced contraception,[17][18] and forced abortion.[19][20] Chinese government statistics reported that from 2015 to 2018, birth rates in the mostly Uyghur regions of Hotan and Kashgar fell by more than 60%.[16] In the same period, the birth rate of the whole country decreased by 9.69%.[21] Chinese authorities acknowledged that birth rates dropped by almost a third in 2018 in Xinjiang, but denied reports of forced sterilization and genocide.[22] Birth rates in Xinjiang fell a further 24% in 2019, compared to a nationwide decrease of 4.2%.[16]
At first, these actions were described as the forced assimilation of Xinjiang, and an ethnocide or cultural genocide.[23][24] As more details emerged, some governments, activists, independent NGOs, human rights experts, and academics termed it genocide, pointing to intentional acts by the Chinese government that allegedly run afoul of Article II of the Genocide Convention.[25][26][27] The Chinese government publicly denies that it has committed human rights abuses in Xinjiang.[5][28]
But, nothing really happening. Your response and attempts to defend the indefensible just so you can "win" some pointless internet argument that only exists in your head, while people are tortured and murdered and the organs harvested really does defy belief. So go ahead, make some inane point how it doesn't really count for some reason and everyone else is wrong and you are right and Boris is a genius for trading with those scum. I'm done with this thread.
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Post by OldSamVimes on Feb 12, 2022 11:29:20 GMT
Conservatives only care about Chinese Muslims, that's weird, isn't it? They still venerate Mao in China. Somehow, I don't think we'd be having the Olympics in Germany right now if they still had photos of Hitler up everywhere. Left wing OR right wing, people are nauseatingly ignorant of history.
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Post by OldSamVimes on Feb 12, 2022 11:34:16 GMT
Read the Wikipedia entry and stop making excuses and being an apologist for the Chinese. Doesn't make for a good look. Oh sure, the media says there's genocide. Ahem. I'll take the dictionary over some twat. And no-one's apologising - I'm the biggest criticiser of china on here and you know it having told me in the past I have an obsession. I'm just not in favour of people spreading misinformation like this. Now, where's the genocide?Historically, the Chinese Communist Party is very good at covering up their failures and misdeeds. We never knew the extent of the man-made famine there until decades later. Now we can read all about the 'Great Leap Forward' and the 'Cultural Revolution', but we had no idea while it was actually happening. The Chinese Communist Party isn't trustworthy.
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Feb 12, 2022 11:46:12 GMT
Historically, the Chinese Communist Party is very good at covering up their failures and misdeeds. We never knew the extent of the man-made famine there until decades later. Now we can read all about the 'Great Leap Forward' and the 'Cultural Revolution', but we had no idea while it was actually happening. The Chinese Communist Party isn't trustworthy. Agree with that, but there's no evidence of genocide which this poster has referred to many times.
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Feb 12, 2022 11:48:05 GMT
General Secretary Xi Jinping, has pursued policies that incarcerated more than an estimated one million Muslims (the majority of them Uyghurs) in internment camps without any legal process.[2][3][4] This is the largest-scale detention of ethnic and religious minorities since World War II.[5][6] Thousands of mosques have been destroyed. Government policies have included the arbitrary detention of Uyghurs in state-sponsored internment camps,[9][10] forced labor,[11][12] suppression of Uyghur religious practices,[13] political indoctrination,[14] severe ill-treatment,[15] forced sterilization,[16] forced contraception,[17][18] and forced abortion.[19][20] Chinese government statistics reported that from 2015 to 2018, birth rates in the mostly Uyghur regions of Hotan and Kashgar fell by more than 60%.[16] In the same period, the birth rate of the whole country decreased by 9.69%.[21] Chinese authorities acknowledged that birth rates dropped by almost a third in 2018 in Xinjiang, but denied reports of forced sterilization and genocide.[22] Birth rates in Xinjiang fell a further 24% in 2019, compared to a nationwide decrease of 4.2%.[16] At first, these actions were described as the forced assimilation of Xinjiang, and an ethnocide or cultural genocide.[23][24] As more details emerged, some governments, activists, independent NGOs, human rights experts, and academics termed it genocide, pointing to intentional acts by the Chinese government that allegedly run afoul of Article II of the Genocide Convention.[25][26][27] The Chinese government publicly denies that it has committed human rights abuses in Xinjiang.[5][28] But, nothing really happening. Your response and attempts to defend the indefensible just so you can "win" some pointless internet argument that only exists in your head, while people are tortured and murdered and the organs harvested really does defy belief. So go ahead, make some inane point how it doesn't really count for some reason and everyone else is wrong and you are right and Boris is a genius for trading with those scum. I'm done with this thread. Nobody's defending what they are doing but it's important to be accurate otherwise they can just dismiss it. Terrible things are happening - why do you think I want china out of everything in the world? - but that doesn't mean there's genocide. Why not just be accurate?
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Post by OldSamVimes on Feb 12, 2022 12:04:01 GMT
Historically, the Chinese Communist Party is very good at covering up their failures and misdeeds. We never knew the extent of the man-made famine there until decades later. Now we can read all about the 'Great Leap Forward' and the 'Cultural Revolution', but we had no idea while it was actually happening. The Chinese Communist Party isn't trustworthy. Agree with that, but there's no evidence of genocide which this poster has referred to many times. We have reports from people who escaped camps (such as Sayragul Sauytbay). We have handmade video of massive camp sites.. The point is that the Chinse Communist Party is fantastic at covering up evidence of their wrongdoings. They'll think nothing of killing entire families to keep them quiet. You get caught poking a camera where they don't want one, you're dead.
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Post by OldSamVimes on Feb 12, 2022 12:06:03 GMT
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Feb 12, 2022 12:06:37 GMT
Agree with that, but there's no evidence of genocide which this poster has referred to many times. We have reports from people who escaped camps (such as Sayragul Sauytbay). We have handmade video of massive camp sites.. The point is that the Chinse Communist Party is fantastic at covering up evidence of their wrongdoings. They'll think nothing of killing entire families to keep them quiet. You get caught poking a camera where they don't want one, you're dead. That's different to genocide though and there's no evidence of that. The poster in question is quite tall and has obviously knocked his head into so many doorframes over the decades that words have lost all meaning. Perhaps I should sympathise rather than berate.
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Post by OldSamVimes on Feb 12, 2022 12:08:47 GMT
We have reports from people who escaped camps (such as Sayragul Sauytbay). We have handmade video of massive camp sites.. The point is that the Chinse Communist Party is fantastic at covering up evidence of their wrongdoings. They'll think nothing of killing entire families to keep them quiet. You get caught poking a camera where they don't want one, you're dead. That's different to genocide though and there's no evidence of that. The poster in question is quite tall and has obviously knocked his head into so many doorframes over the decades that words have lost all meaning. Perhaps I should sympathise rather than berate. There won't be. They'll destroy the evidence. They're awesome at it. It's what they do.
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