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Post by papamihel on Feb 27, 2022 8:51:59 GMT
Can't we just appreciate great books, operas, plays etc as they are?
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Feb 27, 2022 9:15:21 GMT
No.
Yes.
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Post by yggdrasil on Feb 27, 2022 12:00:21 GMT
No and Yes, although what constitutes "great art" obviously differs from person to person.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2022 9:42:00 GMT
No and Yes, although what constitutes "great art" obviously differs from person to person. And "relevant" varies from person to person also. I find the notion of "great" art tedious...and should not be confused with the art market...that is a can of worms. |
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Post by Prince Myshkin on Mar 5, 2022 7:20:13 GMT
If art is irrelevant it can't be great. It has to "say" something.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2022 5:35:55 GMT
If art is irrelevant it can't be great. It has to "say" something. If something exists, then it is saying something by the mere fact of its existence. |
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Post by Prince Myshkin on Mar 13, 2022 5:59:03 GMT
If art is irrelevant it can't be great. It has to "say" something. If something exists, then it is saying something by the mere fact of its existence. Sure, but this:
Says more than this:
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2022 6:17:54 GMT
If something exists, then it is saying something by the mere fact of its existence. Sure, but this: Says more than this: This work of art seems to have nothing to say unless you consider its title: Take the Money and Run.  Right now, NFTs are trading for millions.  Is this art? |
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Post by Prince Myshkin on Mar 13, 2022 6:25:24 GMT
Sure, but this: Says more than this: This work of art seems to have nothing to say unless you consider its title: Take the Money and Run. Right now, NFTs are trading for millions. Is this art? Fred Flintstone is art. So? We all know Fred Flintstone is not a Michelangelo. Don't be so relativistic that you lose all rational judgment. It's not rocket science. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2022 6:34:08 GMT
This work of art seems to have nothing to say unless you consider its title: Take the Money and Run. Right now, NFTs are trading for millions. Is this art? Fred Flintstone is art. So? We all know Fred Flintstone is not a Michelangelo. Don't be so relativistic that you lose all rational judgment. It's not rocket science. I'm not judging art. Like anyone else, some art I like, some I don't, but personally, I always let the artist tell me if their work is art or not. If other folks want to judge art, that's their right as free-thinking individuals. But what is actually being discussed about art is its value and not what the work of art might be saying. This external value can be in terms of social or cultural value or its profitability which is usually beyond the artist's control. One the artists to tear up the notion that art should have value was Andy Warhol. He understood America about as good as anyone, but he never judged art or American values surrounding it. |
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Post by Prince Myshkin on Mar 13, 2022 8:04:16 GMT
Fred Flintstone is art. So? We all know Fred Flintstone is not a Michelangelo. Don't be so relativistic that you lose all rational judgment. It's not rocket science. I'm not judging art. Like anyone else, some art I like, some I don't, but personally, I always let the artist tell me if their work is art or not. If other folks want to judge art, that's their right as free-thinking individuals. But what is actually being discussed about art is its value and not what the work of art might be saying. This external value can be in terms of social or cultural value or its profitability which is usually beyond the artist's control. One the artists to tear up the notion that art should have value was Andy Warhol. He understood America about as good as anyone, but he never judged art or American values surrounding it. Warhol showed us that a soup can is art. But face it, society has a whole determines which art has more value.
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Post by yggdrasil on May 31, 2022 10:40:20 GMT
I'm not judging art. Like anyone else, some art I like, some I don't, but personally, I always let the artist tell me if their work is art or not. If other folks want to judge art, that's their right as free-thinking individuals. But what is actually being discussed about art is its value and not what the work of art might be saying. This external value can be in terms of social or cultural value or its profitability which is usually beyond the artist's control. One the artists to tear up the notion that art should have value was Andy Warhol. He understood America about as good as anyone, but he never judged art or American values surrounding it. Warhol showed us that a soup can is art. But face it, society has a whole determines which art has more value.
I think it was the act of making a modern day comestible into art that was the "art". You could say the same of Duchamp's "Fountain" (urinal). An example of "conceptualism". |
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Post by Prince Myshkin on May 31, 2022 20:10:20 GMT
Warhol showed us that a soup can is art. But face it, society has a whole determines which art has more value.
I think it was the act of making a modern day comestible into art that was the "art". You could say the same of Duchamp's "Fountain" (urinal). An example of "conceptualism". Well we look at some prehistoric artifact as an example of Neolithic art, even if the maker never intended it to be art. By nature of design it's art. I honestly agree with the concept of soup cans and urinals as art. When they are dug up by archeologists 1000 years from now, that's how they will be treated. |
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Post by Flying Monkeys on May 31, 2022 21:07:15 GMT
Warhol showed us that a soup can is art. But face it, society has a whole determines which art has more value. Stick it on a shelf and it's food; stick it on a wall and it's art? Sorry, I don't buy it and I don't agree that the soup can is art - it's more an exercise in skill of accurately drawing perspective with curved surfaces. For me, art has to have some creativity in it and an exact representation of something doesn't have any. |
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Post by Prince Myshkin on Jun 1, 2022 1:44:48 GMT
Warhol showed us that a soup can is art. But face it, society has a whole determines which art has more value. Stick it on a shelf and it's food; stick it on a wall and it's art? Sorry, I don't buy it and I don't agree that the soup can is art - it's more an exercise in skill of accurately drawing perspective with curved surfaces. For me, art has to have some creativity in it and an exact representation of something doesn't have any. Would an alien from outer space think the soup can is art?
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