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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2018 17:16:54 GMT
No wonder the Resistance has been decimated. Blimey.
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Post by slowcomingwarbird on Jan 3, 2018 17:45:39 GMT
You can consider that film to be a comment on the futility of trying to resist the inexorable
destructive effect that fascism has on society world wide.
Or you can just consider it to be just another science fiction film with a dark twisted ending.
Either way you can take it or leave it...
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Post by ayatollah on Jan 4, 2018 0:37:59 GMT
You can consider that film to be a comment on the futility of trying to resist the inexorable destructive effect that fascism has on society world wide. And "fascism" would be your little term for anything you dislike. |
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Post by ayatollah on Jan 4, 2018 0:43:13 GMT
No wonder the Resistance has been decimated. Blimey. From what I understand the Disney movies are leftist propaganda wrapped up in a rip-off of the original Star Wars trilogy. Star Wars is like the Gainesburger and the propaganda is the pill and your kids would be the dog being fooled to take in something harmful. |
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jan 4, 2018 0:59:28 GMT
From what I understand the Disney movies are leftist propaganda wrapped up in a rip-off of the original Star Wars trilogy. Star Wars is like the Gainesburger and the propaganda is the pill and your kids would be the dog being fooled to take in something harmful. It's an interesting question. I see the Empire/First Order as being a communist organisation. You must wear the same uniform, you must not speak never mind dissent, the supreme leader's word must never be challenged, the Empire will provide for you. These are communist traits. |
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Post by ebuzzmiller on Jan 4, 2018 2:35:37 GMT
From what I understand the Disney movies are leftist propaganda wrapped up in a rip-off of the original Star Wars trilogy. Star Wars is like the Gainesburger and the propaganda is the pill and your kids would be the dog being fooled to take in something harmful. It's an interesting question. I see the Empire/First Order as being a communist organisation. You must wear the same uniform, you must not speak never mind dissent, the supreme leader's word must never be challenged, the Empire will provide for you. These are communist traits. That's a tad reductive isn't it? They clearly represent any authoritarian and militaristic regime be it Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia or Imperial Japan. The most interesting thing about the Empire is how it was literally all white and humanoid in it's structure. No aliens there at all as far as I ever noticed. I'd go as far as to call the Empire an ethnic superiority based militaristic society. |
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Post by ebuzzmiller on Jan 4, 2018 2:37:08 GMT
No wonder the Resistance has been decimated. Blimey. From what I understand the Disney movies are leftist propaganda wrapped up in a rip-off of the original Star Wars trilogy. Star Wars is like the Gainesburger and the propaganda is the pill and your kids would be the dog being fooled to take in something harmful. Hold on a second? Is this argument that the Disney movies are propaganda because the villains are all white males? That's not Disney's doing, it goes back to the original trilogy. |
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jan 4, 2018 12:06:56 GMT
It's an interesting question. I see the Empire/First Order as being a communist organisation. You must wear the same uniform, you must not speak never mind dissent, the supreme leader's word must never be challenged, the Empire will provide for you. These are communist traits. That's a tad reductive isn't it? They clearly represent any authoritarian and militaristic regime be it Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia or Imperial Japan. The most interesting thing about the Empire is how it was literally all white and humanoid in it's structure. No aliens there at all as far as I ever noticed. I'd go as far as to call the Empire an ethnic superiority based militaristic society. That's an interesting point. That would certainly put it at the far right end of the spectrum. |
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Post by ayatollah on Jan 5, 2018 0:32:18 GMT
From what I understand the Disney movies are leftist propaganda wrapped up in a rip-off of the original Star Wars trilogy. Star Wars is like the Gainesburger and the propaganda is the pill and your kids would be the dog being fooled to take in something harmful. Hold on a second? Is this argument that the Disney movies are propaganda because the villains are all white males? That's not Disney's doing, it goes back to the original trilogy. Yes, but Disney gave the good guys a Cultural Marxist makeover, kept the villains white and predominately male, chickified Luke Skywalker by rebooting him as "Rey" who I'm told magically knows everything without needing to learn a thing from the old masters, and they turned the old Luke into a grumpy and somewhat irrelevant old fart. |
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Post by Harold of Whoa on Jan 5, 2018 2:52:34 GMT
...rebooting him as "Rey" who I'm told magically knows everything without needing to learn a thing from the old masters.... You've hit upon something here that bothers me way more than the recent wave of 105 pound supermodels who kick men's asses like it was nothing. The Star Trek reboot movie exemplified this same mindset, among other problems. James Kirk, due to altered time line, is just pissing away his life drunk and stupid in Iowa until Captain Pike comes along and basically gets him a sympathy slot at SF Academy, practically shoving him on the transport. Once there, he excels only at schtupping green hotties and cheating. However, when crisis hits, he is THE essential man because of nothing more than innate awesomeness. There is no discipline, no hard work (in fact such qualities seem to be specifically mocked), and one gets the very strong sense that he is entitled to be the captain of the Enterprise more than that he has earned that position. Same deal with Rey, minus some of the attitude, but she is skilled at many things because reasons - because she was a scavenging orphan for most of her life, so she deserves to be a badass pilot and fighter. She is fully dedicated to the survival of the Jedi Order a couple of days or weeks after finding out what the Jedi Order is, and after her "mentor" expresses little interest in the whole affair. It's infuriating. |
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Post by ebuzzmiller on Jan 5, 2018 12:51:09 GMT
You've hit upon something here that bothers me way more than the recent wave of 105 pound supermodels who kick men's asses like it was nothing. The Star Trek reboot movie exemplified this same mindset, among other problems. James Kirk, due to altered time line, is just pissing away his life drunk and stupid in Iowa until Captain Pike comes along and basically gets him a sympathy slot at SF Academy, practically shoving him on the transport. Once there, he excels only at schtupping green hotties and cheating. However, when crisis hits, he is THE essential man because of nothing more than innate awesomeness. There is no discipline, no hard work (in fact such qualities seem to be specifically mocked), and one gets the very strong sense that he is entitled to be the captain of the Enterprise more than that he has earned that position. Same deal with Rey, minus some of the attitude, but she is skilled at many things because reasons - because she was a scavenging orphan for most of her life, so she deserves to be a badass pilot and fighter. She is fully dedicated to the survival of the Jedi Order a couple of days or weeks after finding out what the Jedi Order is, and after her "mentor" expresses little interest in the whole affair. It's infuriating. To be fair how much training did we see Like get? One lesson in the first movie when he tries to hit a target with his lightsaber and what a week where Yoda shows him how to raise rocks and stand on one hand? We're dealing with a fantasy world here. |
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Post by ebuzzmiller on Jan 5, 2018 12:53:45 GMT
You've hit upon something here that bothers me way more than the recent wave of 105 pound supermodels who kick men's asses like it was nothing. The Star Trek reboot movie exemplified this same mindset, among other problems. James Kirk, due to altered time line, is just pissing away his life drunk and stupid in Iowa until Captain Pike comes along and basically gets him a sympathy slot at SF Academy, practically shoving him on the transport. Once there, he excels only at schtupping green hotties and cheating. However, when crisis hits, he is THE essential man because of nothing more than innate awesomeness. There is no discipline, no hard work (in fact such qualities seem to be specifically mocked), and one gets the very strong sense that he is entitled to be the captain of the Enterprise more than that he has earned that position. Same deal with Rey, minus some of the attitude, but she is skilled at many things because reasons - because she was a scavenging orphan for most of her life, so she deserves to be a badass pilot and fighter. She is fully dedicated to the survival of the Jedi Order a couple of days or weeks after finding out what the Jedi Order is, and after her "mentor" expresses little interest in the whole affair. It's infuriating. What do you mean Cultural Marxist? That one of the good guys was black? That kind of applies to ROTJ given Lando blew up the 2nd Death Star. This is the problem with the internet in a nutshell; too many bored losers looking for some hot take because they have no life. |
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Jan 5, 2018 13:37:29 GMT
To be fair how much training did we see Like get? One lesson in the first movie when he tries to hit a target with his lightsaber and what a week where Yoda shows him how to raise rocks and stand on one hand? Long time since I've seen it, but isn't it implied through montage or some similar device that he does a lot of training? I think Harold has a point - movies used to show people working hard (e.g. Rocky, Karate Kid), whereas now the audience is shown a lazy route, because the person is just awesome. Maybe studios think modern audiences would be turned off seeing hard work...? |
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Post by Harold of Whoa on Jan 5, 2018 14:46:20 GMT
This is the problem with the internet in a nutshell; too many bored losers looking for some hot take because they have no life. Wrong, loser! That is the beauty of the internet. But we appreciate the hot take on life. See you right back here this evening! 8-| |
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Post by NoRevisionism on Jan 5, 2018 15:53:13 GMT
that new chubby Asian chick looks like she's got Down Syndrome
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