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Post by SixOfTheRichest on Oct 4, 2022 16:15:02 GMT
That is warped and confused rationalization. The fear holds one back from the truth and fear is used to control, as already mentioned.
It holds humans back. What is this right thing you are referring too?
No. When used correctly, it motivates people to do the right thing. And not do the wrong thing. It depends on what ones notion of right and wrong is. These are polar opposites too and what if there is no right or wrong, or if there is, to whom?
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Post by SixOfTheRichest on Oct 4, 2022 16:16:23 GMT
Religion is a cop-out to find salvation, that is really a delusion and we know religion is used to control and manipulate by establishment. Fear is the key and what better tool for oppression, than promising something that can't be honored on a logical plane. You don't know religion is a cop out to find salvation. And you certainly cannot prove that it is. That is just you being cynical. Salvation meaning what in religion? You can't even prove your God, so I'd rather remain cynical than deluded.
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Post by movieliker on Oct 4, 2022 16:20:49 GMT
Religious ideals are not always transformed into believing it is real and then forced onto others, due to hubris and need to control. Only when religion is used incorrectly. So give me an example of when it is used correctly? Most believers use religion as a moral and ethical guideline. Many religions provide education for their parishes. And religions do lots of charity work around the world. Even for people who are not religious. Or of a different religion.
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Post by movieliker on Oct 4, 2022 16:21:18 GMT
No. When used correctly, it motivates people to do the right thing. And not do the wrong thing. It depends on what ones notion of right and wrong is. These are polar opposites too and what if there is no right or wrong, or if there is, to whom? Don't lie, cheat, steal or kill.
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Post by movieliker on Oct 4, 2022 16:22:59 GMT
You don't know religion is a cop out to find salvation. And you certainly cannot prove that it is. That is just you being cynical. Salvation meaning what in religion? You can't even prove your God, so I'd rather remain cynical than deluded. I've already said many times there is no proof. No point in us continuing if you aren't going to listen.
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Post by SixOfTheRichest on Oct 4, 2022 16:26:28 GMT
So give me an example of when it is used correctly? Most believers use religion as a moral and ethical guideline. Many religions provide education for their parishes. And religions do lots of charity work around the world. Even for people who are not religious. Or of a different religion. People who aren't religious do the same. One doesn't need religion to be morally sound, ethical and charitable.
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Post by SixOfTheRichest on Oct 4, 2022 16:28:59 GMT
It depends on what ones notion of right and wrong is. These are polar opposites too and what if there is no right or wrong, or if there is, to whom? Don't lie, cheat, steal or kill. Why is religion needed to understand appropriate behavior? And to those that do do these things, they obviously don't care in the concept of right or wrong, because that is someone else's judgement. Would Jesus have cared about what is right or wrong behavior? He was supposed to accept what it was.
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Post by SixOfTheRichest on Oct 4, 2022 16:31:41 GMT
Salvation meaning what in religion? You can't even prove your God, so I'd rather remain cynical than deluded. I've already told many times there is no proof. No point in us continuing if you aren't going to listen. What is it you wanted listened too, if you can't provide evidence of an ideal you believe in. Wouldn't this be cognitive dissonance on your part?
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Post by movieliker on Oct 4, 2022 16:55:57 GMT
Most believers use religion as a moral and ethical guideline. Many religions provide education for their parishes. And religions do lots of charity work around the world. Even for people who are not religious. Or of a different religion. People who aren't religious do the same. One doesn't need religion to be morally sound, ethical and charitable. I never said they needed religion.
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Post by movieliker on Oct 4, 2022 16:56:24 GMT
Don't lie, cheat, steal or kill. Why is religion needed to understand appropriate behavior? And to those that do do these things, they obviously don't care in the concept of right or wrong, because that is someone else's judgement. Would Jesus have cared about what is right or wrong behavior? He was supposed to accept what it was. I never said it was.
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Post by movieliker on Oct 4, 2022 16:57:11 GMT
I've already told many times there is no proof. No point in us continuing if you aren't going to listen. What is it you wanted listened too, if you can't provide evidence of an ideal you believe in. Wouldn't this be cognitive dissonance on your part? I have provided evidence. Religion has helped me and many others.
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Post by SixOfTheRichest on Oct 4, 2022 16:57:52 GMT
People who aren't religious do the same. One doesn't need religion to be morally sound, ethical and charitable. I never said they needed religion. Then I'm not sure on your point on the necessity of religion.
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Post by SixOfTheRichest on Oct 4, 2022 16:58:49 GMT
What is it you wanted listened too, if you can't provide evidence of an ideal you believe in. Wouldn't this be cognitive dissonance on your part? I have provided evidence. Religion has helped me and many others. How is this evidence proved, within your own mindset. That can't possibly be evidence.
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Post by SixOfTheRichest on Oct 4, 2022 16:59:33 GMT
Why is religion needed to understand appropriate behavior? And to those that do do these things, they obviously don't care in the concept of right or wrong, because that is someone else's judgement. Would Jesus have cared about what is right or wrong behavior? He was supposed to accept what it was. I never said it was. Your point was to endorse religion to show what is right an wrong...
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Post by movieliker on Oct 4, 2022 17:18:39 GMT
I never said they needed religion. Then I'm not sure on your point on the necessity of religion. I never said religion was necessary.
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