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Post by Hairynosedwombat on Mar 14, 2023 0:07:47 GMT
Again, your grasp of history is abysmal. They were not neutral. Laos and Cambodia was used by the Viet Cong as a base of operation to smuggle supplies down the Ho Chi Minh trail. It is you that should pick up and read a history book. If you read till the next page you might find that neither the Laotian nor Cambodian government, nor the locals who died in the bombing campaign were allied to the NVA. And there was a strong push to get Henry Kissinger arraigned for war crimes for the bombing campaign. I dont need to read history books by ex Pentagon selfserving generals sweeping inconvenient facts under the carpet. I only need to remember what I saw on the news.
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Post by blacktothefuture on Mar 16, 2023 22:29:42 GMT
When Johnson lied. Millions died.
All Nixon did was lie was trying to cover up a break in, Watergate,
he never ordered. And nobody died.
Johnson on the other hand lied us into Vietnam. And millions of people died.
Over the last 50-years. Nixon has been totally unfairly maligned by the democrats and their asslickers in the news media.
Also Johnson bankrupted Social Security by borrowing into the trust fund to pay for Vietnam. The fact checkers will try to say it was Congress. But Congress rubber-stamped all of Johnson's policies on Vietnam --- so it was Johnson.
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Post by pathfinder on Mar 23, 2023 1:59:04 GMT
They were not neutral. Laos and Cambodia was used by the Viet Cong as a base of operation to smuggle supplies down the Ho Chi Minh trail. It is you that should pick up and read a history book. If you read till the next page you might find that neither the Laotian nor Cambodian government, nor the locals who died in the bombing campaign were allied to the NVA. And there was a strong push to get Henry Kissinger arraigned for war crimes for the bombing campaign. I dont need to read history books by ex Pentagon selfserving generals sweeping inconvenient facts under the carpet. I only need to remember what I saw on the news. I've been meaning to get back to this. With everything going on. I almost forgot. Newsflash. Dumbass. There never would have been any bombing of Laos and Cambodia if Johnson hadn't lied us into the war in the first place. Cause and effect. Nixon was driven from office because of Watergate. And is forever demonized for it. Not because of lying for illegal bombing of Laos and Cambodia. The plain simple fact is: You bastards on the Left always hold yourselves to a lesser standard then your opposition.
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Post by Hairynosedwombat on Mar 23, 2023 6:32:55 GMT
If you read till the next page you might find that neither the Laotian nor Cambodian government, nor the locals who died in the bombing campaign were allied to the NVA. And there was a strong push to get Henry Kissinger arraigned for war crimes for the bombing campaign. I dont need to read history books by ex Pentagon selfserving generals sweeping inconvenient facts under the carpet. I only need to remember what I saw on the news. I've been meaning to get back to this. With everything going on. I almost forgot. Newsflash. Dumbass. There never would have been any bombing of Laos and Cambodia if Johnson hadn't lied us into the war in the first place. Cause and effect. Nixon was driven from office because of Watergate. And is forever demonized for it. Not because of lying for illegal bombing of Laos and Cambodia. The plain simple fact is: You bastards on the Left always hold yourselves to a lesser standard then your opposition. It is sheer biggoted imagination to assert that Johnson lied to start the Vietnam war, supposedly by faking the Tonkin Gulf incident. It was Congress which authorised war, and a Machievelian explanation would be that the Pentagon Generals lied to Johnson and Congress, just as the analysts did in 2003. Nobody blames Nixon for the Vietnam war. cons have been braying that it was a just war for decades till the last few years when suddenly war is no longer fashionable so it is their fault, not ours. Tell us again how the Iraq war was Clinton and Bidens fault, nothing to do with Bush and Cheney. The poor innocent Nixon was driven unjustly from office becase he clearly lied to investigators, and quit before he could be impeached.
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Post by pathfinder on Mar 23, 2023 7:16:15 GMT
I've been meaning to get back to this. With everything going on. I almost forgot. Newsflash. Dumbass. There never would have been any bombing of Laos and Cambodia if Johnson hadn't lied us into the war in the first place. Cause and effect. Nixon was driven from office because of Watergate. And is forever demonized for it. Not because of lying for illegal bombing of Laos and Cambodia. The plain simple fact is: You bastards on the Left always hold yourselves to a lesser standard then your opposition. It is sheer biggoted imagination to assert that Johnson lied to start the Vietnam war, supposedly by faking the Tonkin Gulf incident. It was Congress which authorised war, and a Machievelian explanation would be that the Pentagon Generals lied to Johnson and Congress, just as the analysts did in 2003. Nobody blames Nixon for the Vietnam war. cons have been braying that it was a just war for decades till the last few years when suddenly war is no longer fashionable so it is their fault, not ours. Tell us again how the Iraq war was Clinton and Bidens fault, nothing to do with Bush and Cheney. The poor innocent Nixon was driven unjustly from office becase he clearly lied to investigators, and quit before he could be impeached. Congress rubber stamped everything Johnson did --- including raiding the Social Security trust fund to pay for the Vietnam war.
Actually the Pentagon Generals did lie to Johnson.
Nobody on the conservative side blames Clinton or Biden for the first and second Iraqi wars. Where in the hell do you get that? Out of your ass?
I said Nixon lied. Annnnnnnd NOBODY died.
Johnson lied. Annnnd MILLIONS died.
Which is the greater lie/evil? If you were an honest person. You would say Johnson. But you're not.
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Post by Hairynosedwombat on Mar 23, 2023 11:23:24 GMT
It is sheer biggoted imagination to assert that Johnson lied to start the Vietnam war, supposedly by faking the Tonkin Gulf incident. It was Congress which authorised war, and a Machievelian explanation would be that the Pentagon Generals lied to Johnson and Congress, just as the analysts did in 2003. Nobody blames Nixon for the Vietnam war. cons have been braying that it was a just war for decades till the last few years when suddenly war is no longer fashionable so it is their fault, not ours. Tell us again how the Iraq war was Clinton and Bidens fault, nothing to do with Bush and Cheney. The poor innocent Nixon was driven unjustly from office becase he clearly lied to investigators, and quit before he could be impeached. Congress rubber stamped everything Johnson did --- including raiding the Social Security trust fund to pay for the Vietnam war.
Actually the Pentagon Generals did lie to Johnson.
Nobody on the conservative side blames Clinton or Biden for the first and second Iraqi wars. Where in the hell do you get that? Out of your ass?
I said Nixon lied. Annnnnnnd NOBODY died.
Johnson lied. Annnnd MILLIONS died.
Which is the greater lie/evil? If you were an honest person. You would say Johnson. But you're not.
I thought you agreed it was the Pentagon which lied to Johnson. And it was Robert McNamara and (I think) Haig, who was the architect of the expanded war. Johnson was neither interested nor knew what was going on. And you must be joking about hilary and Biden. There has been nothing said by Republicans about Iraq 2003 except that it was all Clinton and Bidens fault because they voted for war.
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Post by pathfinder on Mar 23, 2023 14:56:53 GMT
Congress rubber stamped everything Johnson did --- including raiding the Social Security trust fund to pay for the Vietnam war.
Actually the Pentagon Generals did lie to Johnson.
Nobody on the conservative side blames Clinton or Biden for the first and second Iraqi wars. Where in the hell do you get that? Out of your ass?
I said Nixon lied. Annnnnnnd NOBODY died.
Johnson lied. Annnnd MILLIONS died.
Which is the greater lie/evil? If you were an honest person. You would say Johnson. But you're not.
I thought you agreed it was the Pentagon which lied to Johnson. And it was Robert McNamara and (I think) Haig, who was the architect of the expanded war. Johnson was neither interested nor knew what was going on. And you must be joking about hilary and Biden. There has been nothing said by Republicans about Iraq 2003 except that it was all Clinton and Bidens fault because they voted for war. I wrote that it was the Pentagon generals that mislead Johnson about the progress of the war.
And Johnson lied us into it.
And as far as Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden being blamed for the two Iraqi wars. Where in the hell do you get that? Seriously! I never heard anything about those two being blamed for the Iraqi wars. You just pulled that right out of your ass. And you never expected to be challenged on it.
I don't blame Congress for Vietnam. I blame Johnson.
I don't blame Congress for the two Iraqis war. I blame the Bushes.
Man just give it up. Know when to quit.
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