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Post by Midi-chlorian Count on Apr 8, 2023 15:29:46 GMT
Guide Luke? Like mentor? Sure. Guide the missile? No, that was Luke. Honestly, never saw it like that. Not that I'm saying Obi-Wan was guiding the missile mind you!
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Post by primemovermithrax on Apr 8, 2023 16:02:54 GMT
I predict Rey will become gender neutral by the end of it.
You can call me Rey or you can call me Jey or you can call me Rey-Jey but you don't hasta call me Rian Johnson
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Post by Midi-chlorian Count on Apr 8, 2023 16:22:46 GMT
I predict Rey will become gender neutral by the end of it. You can call me Rey or you can me Jey or you can me Rey-Jey but you don't hasta call me Rian Johnson You can call me Rey or you can call me Ray shurely?
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Post by primemovermithrax on Apr 8, 2023 16:24:46 GMT
You can call me Rey or you can call me Ray shurely? my typing gave out on me in the original post I couldn't even write it down coherently I was so drained of energy thinking about Rey-Jey and the gender fluidity
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2023 17:48:05 GMT
I agree that she was a little too perfect at times. I have also pointed out the Luke and death star thing, but they seem to be fine with that for some reason, and makes all kinds of excuses for it. But there are many male and female characters that can be a bit to perfect, but these people seem to only or mostly complain when a female character is a bit to perfect. Been there.
I think it goes both ways. There's definitely times dudes get riled up waaay too quickly over female heroes and criticize them for similar things male ones get away with, but I also think there are times it's genuinely too much.
I agree
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Post by kuatorises on Apr 8, 2023 18:46:31 GMT
Guide Luke? Like mentor? Sure. Guide the missile? No, that was Luke. Honestly, never saw it like that. Not that I'm saying Obi-Wan was guiding the missile mind you! Never saw it like what? What did you think happened?
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Post by Midi-chlorian Count on Apr 8, 2023 19:09:32 GMT
Honestly, never saw it like that. Not that I'm saying Obi-Wan was guiding the missile mind you! Never saw it like what? What did you think happened? Just what I said before - I never saw it as just Luke jumps in an x-wing and gets a lucky shot off, blowing up the Death Star. Obi-Wan is closely guiding him - tells him to turn off the targeting and use the force, which gives him the clarity / zen like status to channel the force to ensure he'll make the hit. To me it's a slightly more spiritual scene, like Obi-Wan is there with him guardian angel style I guess, rather than just a "mentor" saying "hey, give the force a go!".
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Post by kuatorises on Apr 8, 2023 20:06:53 GMT
Never saw it like what? What did you think happened? Just what I said before - I never saw it as just Luke jumps in an x-wing and gets a lucky shot off, blowing up the Death Star. Obi-Wan is closely guiding him - tells him to turn off the targeting and use the force, which gives him the clarity / zen like status to channel the force to ensure he'll make the hit. To me it's a slightly more spiritual scene, like Obi-Wan is there with him guardian angel style I guess, rather than just a "mentor" saying "hey, give the force a go!".
We all know he used the Force
I have no idea how this is different from what I said.
I have no idea how this
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Post by Midi-chlorian Count on Apr 8, 2023 20:35:36 GMT
Just what I said before - I never saw it as just Luke jumps in an x-wing and gets a lucky shot off, blowing up the Death Star. Obi-Wan is closely guiding him - tells him to turn off the targeting and use the force, which gives him the clarity / zen like status to channel the force to ensure he'll make the hit. To me it's a slightly more spiritual scene, like Obi-Wan is there with him guardian angel style I guess, rather than just a "mentor" saying "hey, give the force a go!".
We all know he used the Force
I have no idea how this is different from what I said.
I have no idea how this Well, I initially quoted you saying you loved pointing out Luke blew up the Death Star using the force which he'd just learned, saying I didn't really see it like something amusing like that - I said I'd always assumed Obi-Wan guiding Luke, i.e. he literally comes to him in the cockpit and tells him to turn off the targeting system and use the force. For me it's the pay off of his "strike me down and I shall become more powerful" line rather than Luke just using the force. Can't really add anything further to that I don't think...
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Post by kuatorises on Apr 9, 2023 13:35:49 GMT
We all know he used the Force
I have no idea how this is different from what I said.
I have no idea how this Well, I initially quoted you saying you loved pointing out Luke blew up the Death Star using the force which he'd just learned, saying I didn't really see it like something amusing like that - I said I'd always assumed Obi-Wan guiding Luke, i.e. he literally comes to him in the cockpit and tells him to turn off the targeting system and use the force.For me it's the pay off of his "strike me down and I shall become more powerful" line rather than Luke just using the force. Can't really add anything further to that I don't think... Obi Wan simply telling Luke to use the Force doesn't negate Luke using it to move a missile... to blow up the Death Star. The first time he flew a ship.
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Post by Midi-chlorian Count on Apr 9, 2023 14:25:58 GMT
Obi Wan simply telling Luke to use the Force doesn't negate Luke using it to move a missile... to blow up the Death Star. The first time he flew a ship. But that's not how I see it. Obi-Wan is with him - having become more powerful than Vader can possibly imagine - at one with the force and guides Luke, with the force, to make the hit. He doesn't guide the missile but he's certainly guiding Luke and his actions. As I was saying before, I can't really add any more to that - it's just the way I always interpreted it playing out. If you see it differently that's absolutely fine đź‘Ť.
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Post by Winter_King on Apr 10, 2023 12:44:02 GMT
Somehow, Rey Palpatine returned.
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Post by ackbarraddus on Apr 12, 2023 0:43:50 GMT
... I love pointing out Luke blew up the Death Star the first time he flew a ship in space. Using the Force... Didn't Obi-Wan guide Luke there? I always assumed he did - "strike me down and I shall become more powerful..." Five minutes later, he's telling Luke to turn off his navigation and use the force. Then he says "Remember, the force will be with you always". I think assuming Luke just free-styled blowing up the Death Star solo kind of misses the point and the mythos being built up re the force by that very scene... Yeah he used the Force. But people who bring this up for the whole “Luke was also MarySue” argument forget that he was the most talented amateur pilot in the galaxy. It wasn’t like he just jumped in a ship the first time and blew up the Death Star.
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Post by ackbarraddus on Apr 12, 2023 1:20:55 GMT
The James Mangold film: I like his resume of filmmaking. Would it transfer to Start Wars? I don’t know. But it’s enough that I’m willing to give it a chance that it could. I can have some anticipation for it. Let’s see how this develops in the future.
The Dave Filoni film: I’m interested in seeing how this one develops as well.
Some fans have been down on him. (First it was “he does prequel stuff and he’s a Lucas fanboy”. Then it was “he only does cartoons”. Then he did The Mandalorian. Then it’s “he can’t do movies”.)
Everything he’s done has been “gold” so… I’m optimistic about what he could make for a Star Wars movie.
The Rey movie: It sounds captivating on paper. Especially for Rey fans longing for new onscreen stuff. But I’m cautious about a movie where the theme is training younglings and apprentices. See how this one develops in the future.
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Post by Midi-chlorian Count on Apr 12, 2023 9:46:27 GMT
Yeah he used the Force. But people who bring this up for the whole “Luke was also MarySue” argument forget that he was the most talented amateur pilot in the galaxy. It wasn’t like he just jumped in a ship the first time and blew up the Death Star. I dislike "Mary Sue" chat for a couple of reasons - Foremost being that when it's used, it's almost inevitable the use of "butthurt" from someone will follow! It's like a side branch of Godwin's law... Also (like I've said on this thread) even before that term had been popularised, I never, ever saw Luke as acting independently there anyway, so not only did it seem wrong to me but you have to kind of ruin the (literal) magic of initial film to argue that in defence of the Disney character. Funnily enough though, at least before TLJ came out, I used to use the Luke / Rey comparison from my exact opposite perspective to also argue against the Rey "Mary Sue" arguement. i.e. We saw that Luke was not alone when using the force, so what if it was to be revealed that it was the same with Rey but we just hadn't seen it? I guess I was hoping for a Episode VIII were we discovered Luke was her father and had been reaching out through the force to help / guide her. But I guess that concept would still have worked with someone else strong with the force...
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