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Post by skaathar on Jul 22, 2023 6:26:44 GMT
I'm really disliking how generic that villain is. Generic villains made sense when the MCU was just starting but surely they're established enough now that they can bring bigger names in.
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Post by merv on Jul 22, 2023 17:08:46 GMT
I'm really disliking how generic that villain is. Generic villains made sense when the MCU was just starting but surely they're established enough now that they can bring bigger names in. I don’t mind it as much because the presumption is that there will be more of a focus on the protagonists. These aren’t exactly the most fleshed out MCU characters so I’m actually pretty fine with a by the numbers villain if that’s the trade off.
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Post by politicidal1 on Jul 22, 2023 22:42:23 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2023 23:39:50 GMT
Generic Marvel Villain #32
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Post by politicidal1 on Jul 23, 2023 14:29:11 GMT
Generic Marvel Villain #32 It’s too bad really. Not sure why they don’t have a more prominent CM foe like Karla Sofen/Moonstone who has a connection to the Kree. And she also had ties with Thunderbolts and Dark Avengers (if they ever went that route).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2023 17:39:55 GMT
Generic Marvel Villain #32 It’s too bad really. Not sure why they don’t have a more prominent CM foe like Karla Sofen/Moonstone who has a connection to the Kree. And she also had ties with Thunderbolts and Dark Avengers (if they ever went that route). I was hoping this movie would put some effort into building the cosmic mythology of the MCU and specifically Captain Marvel’s corner of it. But it seems likely the villain and the Kreee are there to provide the minimal amount of conflict to support a buddy comedy.
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Post by hauntedknight87 on Jul 23, 2023 19:53:35 GMT
It is honestly disappointing that the villain is another Kree accuser. I understand that the Kree are heavily tied to Carol in the comics, but this film would have been the perfect opportunity to shake it up some and do something different, villain wise.
This is a big missed opportunity for them to expand on the MCU with the Marvel Comics cosmic Lore.
Like imagine if they used The Brood or The Shi'ar.
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Post by skaathar on Jul 23, 2023 22:42:40 GMT
I'm really disliking how generic that villain is. Generic villains made sense when the MCU was just starting but surely they're established enough now that they can bring bigger names in. I don’t mind it as much because the presumption is that there will be more of a focus on the protagonists. These aren’t exactly the most fleshed out MCU characters so I’m actually pretty fine with a by the numbers villain if that’s the trade off. That would be understandable if this was the first outing of these characters... but it isn't. Captain Marvel has had a movie and a half to be introduced and both Ms. Marvel and Photon have had an entire series to introduce them. If the excuse for having an underwhelming villain is that these protagonists still need a lot more focus then, well, that's just an excuse for bad writing if you ask me. But it's not even the writing per se. Just get a more well-known villain, something that's a bit different than your standard Kree imperial overlord. Whether or not the villain is actually good is a different matter, but at least get someone that improves on the lore of the MCU rather than being just another forgettable face.
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Post by merv on Jul 23, 2023 23:43:42 GMT
I don’t mind it as much because the presumption is that there will be more of a focus on the protagonists. These aren’t exactly the most fleshed out MCU characters so I’m actually pretty fine with a by the numbers villain if that’s the trade off. That would be understandable if this was the first outing of these characters... but it isn't. Captain Marvel has had a movie and a half to be introduced and both Ms. Marvel and Photon have had an entire series to introduce them. If the excuse for having an underwhelming villain is that these protagonists still need a lot more focus then, well, that's just an excuse for bad writing if you ask me. But it's not even the writing per se. Just get a more well-known villain, something that's a bit different than your standard Kree imperial overlord. Whether or not the villain is actually good is a different matter, but at least get someone that improves on the lore of the MCU rather than being just another forgettable face. I won’t defend their choice of villain, I know nothing about her. I am just reiterating that I don’t think the villain is the most important part of this film. This film needs to get audiences to like the characters Carol, Monica and Kamala. If they can succeed in that then it won’t matter who they’re fighting. But if the highlight is the villain then I don’t think the film is doing the MCU any good.
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Post by anwar on Jul 24, 2023 1:28:46 GMT
I don’t mind it as much because the presumption is that there will be more of a focus on the protagonists. These aren’t exactly the most fleshed out MCU characters so I’m actually pretty fine with a by the numbers villain if that’s the trade off. That would be understandable if this was the first outing of these characters... but it isn't. Captain Marvel has had a movie and a half to be introduced and both Ms. Marvel and Photon have had an entire series to introduce them. If the excuse for having an underwhelming villain is that these protagonists still need a lot more focus then, well, that's just an excuse for bad writing if you ask me. But it's not even the writing per se. Just get a more well-known villain, something that's a bit different than your standard Kree imperial overlord. Whether or not the villain is actually good is a different matter, but at least get someone that improves on the lore of the MCU rather than being just another forgettable face. Uh-huh, then why did no one complain about Winter Soldier which focused on Steve, Natasha and Sam above the villain?
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Post by Lux on Jul 24, 2023 2:11:44 GMT
I'm really disliking how generic that villain is. Generic villains made sense when the MCU was just starting but surely they're established enough now that they can bring bigger names in. Generic how? Black female villains in the MCU aren't really that much of a thing. Bigger names as in who?
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Post by skaathar on Jul 24, 2023 6:22:33 GMT
That would be understandable if this was the first outing of these characters... but it isn't. Captain Marvel has had a movie and a half to be introduced and both Ms. Marvel and Photon have had an entire series to introduce them. If the excuse for having an underwhelming villain is that these protagonists still need a lot more focus then, well, that's just an excuse for bad writing if you ask me. But it's not even the writing per se. Just get a more well-known villain, something that's a bit different than your standard Kree imperial overlord. Whether or not the villain is actually good is a different matter, but at least get someone that improves on the lore of the MCU rather than being just another forgettable face. Uh-huh, then why did no one complain about Winter Soldier which focused on Steve, Natasha and Sam above the villain? Because Winter Soldier was the main antagonist in that movie. And he got quite a bit of focus in that movie. Heck, the movie was even named after him, so not sure what you're talking about.
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Post by skaathar on Jul 24, 2023 6:27:38 GMT
I'm really disliking how generic that villain is. Generic villains made sense when the MCU was just starting but surely they're established enough now that they can bring bigger names in. Generic how? Black female villains in the MCU aren't really that much of a thing. Bigger names as in who? Why are you trying to make this about race? What, you think that simply race-swapping a character is enough to make them special and unique? That's quite shallow don't you think. As for bigger names, there's a ton of them. Annihilus, Beyonder, Mephisto, Korvac, Phoenix, heck they could even use the heralds of Galactus like Morg or Terrax or even Silver Surfer. It would be a great way to start building the greater cosmic universe of the MCU.
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Post by Lux on Jul 24, 2023 8:24:43 GMT
Generic how? Black female villains in the MCU aren't really that much of a thing. Bigger names as in who? Why are you trying to make this about race? What, you think that simply race-swapping a character is enough to make them special and unique? That's quite shallow don't you think. As for bigger names, there's a ton of them. Annihilus, Beyonder, Mephisto, Korvac, Phoenix, heck they could even use the heralds of Galactus like Morg or Terrax or even Silver Surfer. It would be a great way to start building the greater cosmic universe of the MCU. They wanted a girl to fight a girl both those are good villains.
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Post by anwar on Jul 24, 2023 12:37:12 GMT
Uh-huh, then why did no one complain about Winter Soldier which focused on Steve, Natasha and Sam above the villain? Because Winter Soldier was the main antagonist in that movie. And he got quite a bit of focus in that movie. Heck, the movie was even named after him, so not sure what you're talking about. No, he wasn't. Alexander Pierce was the true villain of that movie and yet he barely got focus at all.
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