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Post by anwar on Jul 24, 2023 12:40:26 GMT
Generic how? Black female villains in the MCU aren't really that much of a thing. Bigger names as in who? Why are you trying to make this about race? What, you think that simply race-swapping a character is enough to make them special and unique? That's quite shallow don't you think. As for bigger names, there's a ton of them. Annihilus, Beyonder, Mephisto, Korvac, Phoenix, heck they could even use the heralds of Galactus like Morg or Terrax or even Silver Surfer. It would be a great way to start building the greater cosmic universe of the MCU. Korvac himself is a pretty non-name to casuals, they can't use Phoenix yet, Mephisto has little place in a cosmic story, and all those others are FF characters they should actually have the FF deal with.
If the movie is supposed to be about the Marvels and their interplay with each other, then that's going to be the focus. Instead of taking the lazy way out and making it be all about the villain like older CBMs did.
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Post by hauntedknight87 on Jul 24, 2023 13:13:21 GMT
You can have a good and interesting villain without them taking over the film. If a villain "takes over" the film from the hero it's mostly because the film has little faith in the hero being interesting.
When you have a villain that isn't interesting or even good, your basically telling us that you have no faith in your hero.
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Post by anwar on Jul 24, 2023 16:04:36 GMT
You can have a good and interesting villain without them taking over the film. If a villain "takes over" the film from the hero it's mostly because the film has faith in the hero being interesting. When you have a villain that isn't interesting or even good, your basically telling us that you have no faith in your hero. Tell that to Batman, he's always overshadowed by his villains. Because the writers have no faith in Batman to drive a story on his own.
If the villain isn't that engaging, it's because the writers want to tell a story about the hero and their internal conflicts and don't need the villain to be more than a plot device to get things going.
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Post by skaathar on Jul 24, 2023 16:20:46 GMT
Because Winter Soldier was the main antagonist in that movie. And he got quite a bit of focus in that movie. Heck, the movie was even named after him, so not sure what you're talking about. No, he wasn't. Alexander Pierce was the true villain of that movie and yet he barely got focus at all. Pierce was the big bad pulling the strings from behind the curtain but he wasn't the main antagonist. The main antagonist is the one that the main protagonist has to go up against, and in this case that was the Winter Soldier. He was a villain in that movie from start to finish, with just a brief hint of empathy as he saved Cap from drowning. But throughout the movie he was the one Cap had to regularly go up against. So like I said, the villain was Winter Soldier and the movie was even named after him.
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Post by skaathar on Jul 24, 2023 16:24:08 GMT
Why are you trying to make this about race? What, you think that simply race-swapping a character is enough to make them special and unique? That's quite shallow don't you think. As for bigger names, there's a ton of them. Annihilus, Beyonder, Mephisto, Korvac, Phoenix, heck they could even use the heralds of Galactus like Morg or Terrax or even Silver Surfer. It would be a great way to start building the greater cosmic universe of the MCU. Korvac himself is a pretty non-name to casuals, they can't use Phoenix yet, Mephisto has little place in a cosmic story, and all those others are FF characters they should actually have the FF deal with.
If the movie is supposed to be about the Marvels and their interplay with each other, then that's going to be the focus. Instead of taking the lazy way out and making it be all about the villain like older CBMs did.
Korvac might be a no-name to casuals but he's certainly a bigger name to comic readers than whoever this villain is. Why can't they use Phoenix yet? I'm not talking about Jean Grey, I'm talking about the Phoenix force. Why can't they use the heralds of Galactus? There's quite a lot of them and there's nothing to say that they need to be used only with the FF. Heck, Namor was already used outside of an FF movie. And Mephisto is cosmic level even though he's not always used in that manner. Still like I said, it's easy enough to bring these characters into the story with good writing. It's a way to expand on the MCU lore.
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Post by skaathar on Jul 24, 2023 16:29:00 GMT
Why are you trying to make this about race? What, you think that simply race-swapping a character is enough to make them special and unique? That's quite shallow don't you think. As for bigger names, there's a ton of them. Annihilus, Beyonder, Mephisto, Korvac, Phoenix, heck they could even use the heralds of Galactus like Morg or Terrax or even Silver Surfer. It would be a great way to start building the greater cosmic universe of the MCU. They wanted a girl to fight a girl both those are good villains. The MCU has proven that they're willing to have cross-gender fights before. Captain Marvel's villain in the first movie was Talos/Yon-Rogg, Black Widow went up against Dreykov, Ms. Marvel fought Kamran, Thor fought Hela, Dr. Strange fought Wanda, Jessica Jones had Purple Man, etc. Requiring a female villain for a female protagonist is a fairly outdated template that neither the MCU or DCEU seem to follow.
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Post by hauntedknight87 on Jul 24, 2023 16:46:42 GMT
You can have a good and interesting villain without them taking over the film. If a villain "takes over" the film from the hero it's mostly because the film has faith in the hero being interesting. When you have a villain that isn't interesting or even good, your basically telling us that you have no faith in your hero. Tell that to Batman, he's always overshadowed by his villains. Because the writers have no faith in Batman to drive a story on his own.
If the villain isn't that engaging, it's because the writers want to tell a story about the hero and their internal conflicts and don't need the villain to be more than a plot device to get things going.
What are you talking about? Batman and his villains work well together. If the villain isn't engaging enough, why should I care about the hero journey? Every hero needs a good villain and vice versa. If either of them are not engaging, it completely throws off the film.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2023 16:56:45 GMT
Isn’t it nice to have both Lux and FormerSam/Anwer here? I know when I go online to discuss movies I want it to feel like I’m in a mental ward.
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Post by Power Ranger on Jul 24, 2023 16:57:00 GMT
You can have a good and interesting villain without them taking over the film. If a villain "takes over" the film from the hero it's mostly because the film has faith in the hero being interesting. When you have a villain that isn't interesting or even good, your basically telling us that you have no faith in your hero. Tell that to Batman, he's always overshadowed by his villains. Because the writers have no faith in Batman to drive a story on his own.
If the villain isn't that engaging, it's because the writers want to tell a story about the hero and their internal conflicts and don't need the villain to be more than a plot device to get things going.
Why not make both hero and villain engaging?
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Post by hauntedknight87 on Jul 24, 2023 17:08:07 GMT
Isn’t it nice to have both Lux and FormerSam/Anwer here? I know when I go online to discuss movies I want it to feel like I’m in a mental ward. It's still missing some of the greatest hits. Hopefully some of them will make their way here one day.
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Post by skaathar on Jul 24, 2023 17:46:00 GMT
Tell that to Batman, he's always overshadowed by his villains. Because the writers have no faith in Batman to drive a story on his own.
If the villain isn't that engaging, it's because the writers want to tell a story about the hero and their internal conflicts and don't need the villain to be more than a plot device to get things going.
Why not make both hero and villain engaging? I could understand the MCU going with lowkey villains back when they were only starting. After all, they weren't dealing with A-Tier superheroes that everyone already knew like Batman or Superman, so it kinda made sense that they got blander villains in the beginning so they could focus on developing their C-Tier heroes. But the MCU is way beyond that now. They've launched the most successful superhero franchise adaption to the big screen. Them resorting to the same bland, no-name villains nowadays is just plain lazy.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2023 21:48:57 GMT
Isn’t it nice to have both Lux and FormerSam/Anwer here? I know when I go online to discuss movies I want it to feel like I’m in a mental ward. It's still missing some of the greatest hits. Hopefully some of them will make their way here one day. LDM and DC Fan too? I don’t know if I can handle that many trolls in one place again! 😂
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Post by Nalkarj on Jul 24, 2023 22:34:14 GMT
It's still missing some of the greatest hits. Hopefully some of them will make their way here one day. LDM and DC Fan too? I don’t know if I can handle that many trolls in one place again! 😂 DC-Fan, though, he turned trolling into an art form. As did, to a more moralizing degree, the Dewd.
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Post by Nalkarj on Jul 24, 2023 22:36:32 GMT
Isn’t it nice to have both Lux and FormerSam/Anwer here? I know when I go online to discuss movies I want it to feel like I’m in a mental ward. The only answer to this is, well, once again…
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Post by hauntedknight87 on Jul 24, 2023 22:41:35 GMT
It's still missing some of the greatest hits. Hopefully some of them will make their way here one day. LDM and DC Fan too? I don’t know if I can handle that many trolls in one place again! 😂 Throw in Tristan and we'll have an OG grudge match!
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