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Post by politicidal1 on Jul 24, 2023 22:49:37 GMT
LDM and DC Fan too? I don’t know if I can handle that many trolls in one place again! 😂 Throw in Tristan and we'll have an OG grudge match!  |
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Post by Lux on Jul 25, 2023 7:47:52 GMT
Isn’t it nice to have both Lux and FormerSam/Anwer here? I know when I go online to discuss movies I want it to feel like I’m in a mental ward. The only answer to this is, well, once again… Fuck off you twat. |
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Post by Lux on Jul 25, 2023 7:50:53 GMT
Isn’t it nice to have both Lux and FormerSam/Anwer here? I know when I go online to discuss movies I want it to feel like I’m in a mental ward. Wow, there's no limit to your triggering. Stupid twat. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2023 7:52:18 GMT
Isn’t it nice to have both Lux and FormerSam/Anwer here? I know when I go online to discuss movies I want it to feel like I’m in a mental ward. Wow, there's no limit to your triggering. Stupid twat. That post got likes from almost everyone here though. 😂 |
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Post by Lux on Jul 25, 2023 7:53:33 GMT
Wow, there's no limit to your triggering. Stupid twat. That post got likes from almost everyone here though. 😂 From all the mental asylum retards banned from the previous board.😂😂🤣Well done. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2023 8:01:44 GMT
That post got likes from almost everyone here though. 😂 From all the mental asylum retards banned from the previous board.😂😂🤣Well done. Thank you. |
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Post by Lux on Jul 25, 2023 8:04:25 GMT
You can have a good and interesting villain without them taking over the film. If a villain "takes over" the film from the hero it's mostly because the film has faith in the hero being interesting. When you have a villain that isn't interesting or even good, your basically telling us that you have no faith in your hero. Tell that to Batman, he's always overshadowed by his villains. Because the writers have no faith in Batman to drive a story on his own.
If the villain isn't that engaging, it's because the writers want to tell a story about the hero and their internal conflicts and don't need the villain to be more than a plot device to get things going.
Batman is never overshadowed by his villains. |
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Post by anwar on Jul 25, 2023 12:26:31 GMT
No, he wasn't. Alexander Pierce was the true villain of that movie and yet he barely got focus at all. Pierce was the big bad pulling the strings from behind the curtain but he wasn't the main antagonist. The main antagonist is the one that the main protagonist has to go up against, and in this case that was the Winter Soldier. He was a villain in that movie from start to finish, with just a brief hint of empathy as he saved Cap from drowning. But throughout the movie he was the one Cap had to regularly go up against. So like I said, the villain was Winter Soldier and the movie was even named after him. He was the Heavy, not the real villain. Pierce was, and by extension HYDRA in general. |
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Post by anwar on Jul 25, 2023 12:28:11 GMT
Korvac himself is a pretty non-name to casuals, they can't use Phoenix yet, Mephisto has little place in a cosmic story, and all those others are FF characters they should actually have the FF deal with.
If the movie is supposed to be about the Marvels and their interplay with each other, then that's going to be the focus. Instead of taking the lazy way out and making it be all about the villain like older CBMs did.
Korvac might be a no-name to casuals but he's certainly a bigger name to comic readers than whoever this villain is. Why can't they use Phoenix yet? I'm not talking about Jean Grey, I'm talking about the Phoenix force. Why can't they use the heralds of Galactus? There's quite a lot of them and there's nothing to say that they need to be used only with the FF. Heck, Namor was already used outside of an FF movie. And Mephisto is cosmic level even though he's not always used in that manner. Still like I said, it's easy enough to bring these characters into the story with good writing. It's a way to expand on the MCU lore. There's some kind of contract problem wherein they can't hire new actors to play the X-Men characters for a few more years. If they brought in Phoenix they'd have to make it Famke again instead of a new actress and that would be too problematic.
Namor's been a BP enemy before, whereas the Heralds and Galactus have only ever really been FF villains.
Let's see how this goes, for all we know it will expand on the Kree more
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Post by anwar on Jul 25, 2023 12:29:58 GMT
Tell that to Batman, he's always overshadowed by his villains. Because the writers have no faith in Batman to drive a story on his own.
If the villain isn't that engaging, it's because the writers want to tell a story about the hero and their internal conflicts and don't need the villain to be more than a plot device to get things going.
What are you talking about? Batman and his villains work well together. If the villain isn't engaging enough, why should I care about the hero journey? Every hero needs a good villain and vice versa. If either of them are not engaging, it completely throws off the film. Batman is always overshadowed by his villains, Joker is a key example.
If the hero and the internal conflict they have with their allies and others is engaging enough, the villain doesn't need to steal the show. The Heroes' Journey is outdated in some ways.
Yes it does throw off the film, that's why older CBMs usually had the villain be the real star because the director and writers had no faith in the hero to be a real lead.
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Post by anwar on Jul 25, 2023 12:31:03 GMT
Tell that to Batman, he's always overshadowed by his villains. Because the writers have no faith in Batman to drive a story on his own.
If the villain isn't that engaging, it's because the writers want to tell a story about the hero and their internal conflicts and don't need the villain to be more than a plot device to get things going.
Why not make both hero and villain engaging? It very rarely happens. Often it's just the villain who keeps ones attention because too many people bought into that "A Hero is only as good as their Villain" nonsense. |
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Post by anwar on Jul 25, 2023 12:32:06 GMT
Tell that to Batman, he's always overshadowed by his villains. Because the writers have no faith in Batman to drive a story on his own.
If the villain isn't that engaging, it's because the writers want to tell a story about the hero and their internal conflicts and don't need the villain to be more than a plot device to get things going.
Batman is never overshadowed by his villains. Batman 1989, Batman Returns, Batman Begins, Dark Knight, The Batman... |
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Post by Lux on Jul 25, 2023 12:56:17 GMT
Batman is never overshadowed by his villains. Batman 1989, Batman Returns, Batman Begins, Dark Knight, The Batman... In none of those Batman movies did Batman come second best to his villains. |
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Post by anwar on Jul 25, 2023 15:01:12 GMT
Batman 1989, Batman Returns, Batman Begins, Dark Knight, The Batman... In none of those Batman movies did Batman come second best to his villains. In Batman 1989, he's utterly overshadowed by Joker. In Batman Returns he's overshadowed by Catwoman and Penguin, in Begins he's utterly overshadowed by Ra's and again in TDK by Joker and Dent, and in The Batman the Riddler dominates everything.
The big problem is that Batman is almost always a reactionary force when he should be the proactive one trying to change things while the villains are fighting to keep him from changing anything.
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Post by Lux on Jul 25, 2023 15:02:17 GMT
In none of those Batman movies did Batman come second best to his villains. In Batman 1989, he's utterly overshadowed by Joker. In Batman Returns he's overshadowed by Catwoman and Penguin, in Begins he's utterly overshadowed by Ra's and again in TDK by Joker and Dent, and in The Batman the Riddler dominates everything.
The big problem is that Batman is almost always a reactionary force when he should be the proactive one trying to change things while the villains are fighting to keep him from changing anything.
No Batman wasn't overshadowed they were all equal. |
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