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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2023 21:30:13 GMT
If nonsense is indeed a violation of proboards’ rules I could also report your posts in this thread because I still can’t for the life of me make a bit of sense out of them. Then report it😂. Go on. That was your silly threat. I was clearly just being facetious. I am actually genuinely curious what your original point was though. Why not just explain?
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Post by Lux on Aug 26, 2023 21:33:46 GMT
That was your silly threat. I was clearly just being facetious. I am actually genuinely curious what your original point was though. Why not just explain? All the explanation is in the comment if you don't understand the reply that wasn't meant for you anyway, ignore it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2023 21:38:34 GMT
That was your silly threat. I was clearly just being facetious. I am actually genuinely curious what your original point was though. Why not just explain? All the explanation is in the comment if you don't understand the reply that wasn't meant for you anyway, ignore it. Alright then. Keep your secrets. But before you came along we Ackbars were very well thought of!
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Post by skaathar on Aug 27, 2023 0:35:13 GMT
Cap didn't keep it from Tony. He didn't know it was Bucky. He only knew that Tony's parents were killed, not that it was Bucky who did it. Is that how it went? Maybe it's my memory but I thought Stark asked Rogers if he knew and Rogers said he didn't know it was him. Stark then said don't BS me Rogers did you know? And then Cap said yes.
Maybe I'm misremembering but I walked away feeling like that was a chink in Cap's ordinarily flawlessly honour, which he explained in the letter?
Cap said yes, as in did he know that Tony's parents were killed. He never retracted what he said about not knowing it was Bucky, and Cap isn't the sort to just lie in your face like that.
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Post by skaathar on Aug 27, 2023 0:37:04 GMT
Captain America is a person, not a land. And a fictional person at that. I would have thought you knew that if you're hanging out in this forum. Talking about what he represents not whether he's real don't play stupid. He's not Captain Jack, Captain James or Captain John he's Captain America. What he represents is not what we're talking about. We're talking about Captain America the character and how he's campier than Batman. We're not talking about whether what he represents is campy or not. Again, please do try to pay attention and stop trying to derail the conversation.
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Post by Lux on Aug 27, 2023 1:04:33 GMT
Talking about what he represents not whether he's real don't play stupid. He's not Captain Jack, Captain James or Captain John he's Captain America. What he represents is not what we're talking about. We're talking about Captain America the character and how he's campier than Batman. We're not talking about whether what he represents is campy or not. Again, please do try to pay attention and stop trying to derail the conversation. That is exactly what the conversation is about.
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Post by skaathar on Aug 27, 2023 8:02:18 GMT
What he represents is not what we're talking about. We're talking about Captain America the character and how he's campier than Batman. We're not talking about whether what he represents is campy or not. Again, please do try to pay attention and stop trying to derail the conversation. That is exactly what the conversation is about. No it isn't. Me and Ackbar were having a conversation, you just butted in. I'm the one who initiated the conversation about Captain America having an excuse to be somewhat campy, therefore I'm the one who gets to dictate what it's about, not you. You don't like it, go start your own conversation about America.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2023 17:26:59 GMT
Is that how it went? Maybe it's my memory but I thought Stark asked Rogers if he knew and Rogers said he didn't know it was him. Stark then said don't BS me Rogers did you know? And then Cap said yes.
Maybe I'm misremembering but I walked away feeling like that was a chink in Cap's ordinarily flawlessly honour, which he explained in the letter?
Cap said yes, as in did he know that Tony's parents were killed. He never retracted what he said about not knowing it was Bucky, and Cap isn't the sort to just lie in your face like that. It really looks like Cap owned up to knowing. That's how I thought I remembered it, but here's the clip. Yes I agree Cap isn't the sort to lie to one's face, but withholding that information would be lying by omission. More importantly though, when Iron Man pressed for the straightest possible answer with no wiggle room, Cap capitulated and said yes.
Judge for yourself but it really, strongly looks like he owned up (reluctantly) to knowing all along Bucky killed Stark's parents.
About 1:55 - 2:15
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2023 17:32:03 GMT
That is exactly what the conversation is about. No it isn't. Me and Ackbar were having a conversation, you just butted in. I'm the one who initiated the conversation about Captain America having an excuse to be somewhat campy, therefore I'm the one who gets to dictate what it's about, not you. You don't like it, go start your own conversation about America. I’m honestly still wondering why he included westerns in his list. It’s perplexingly random. “America campy? The land of gun violence, the Vietnam war, and apple pie?”
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Post by skaathar on Aug 27, 2023 19:28:12 GMT
Cap said yes, as in did he know that Tony's parents were killed. He never retracted what he said about not knowing it was Bucky, and Cap isn't the sort to just lie in your face like that. It really looks like Cap owned up to knowing. That's how I thought I remembered it, but here's the clip. Yes I agree Cap isn't the sort to lie to one's face, but withholding that information would be lying by omission. More importantly though, when Iron Man pressed for the straightest possible answer with no wiggle room, Cap capitulated and said yes.
Judge for yourself but it really, strongly looks like he owned up (reluctantly) to knowing all along Bucky killed Stark's parents.
About 1:55 - 2:15
Again, I have to disagree. Stark's question was vague. "Did you know?" Cap answered very clearly: Yes he did know but he didn't know it was Bucky. Cap answered yes because he actually knew about Tony's parents getting killed. That's what the "yes" was answering. But he also stated very clearly that he didn't know it was Bucky. That's the only interpretation that makes sense. Because for your version to make sense we would need to accept that Cap lied point blank to Tony's face with zero hesitation and without a 2nd thought, and that’s so out of character for Cap that it just won't add up.
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Post by Lux on Aug 27, 2023 22:04:03 GMT
It really looks like Cap owned up to knowing. That's how I thought I remembered it, but here's the clip. Yes I agree Cap isn't the sort to lie to one's face, but withholding that information would be lying by omission. More importantly though, when Iron Man pressed for the straightest possible answer with no wiggle room, Cap capitulated and said yes.
Judge for yourself but it really, strongly looks like he owned up (reluctantly) to knowing all along Bucky killed Stark's parents.
About 1:55 - 2:15
Again, I have to disagree. Stark's question was vague. "Did you know?" Cap answered very clearly: Yes he did know but he didn't know it was Bucky. Cap answered yes because he actually knew about Tony's parents getting killed. That's what the "yes" was answering. But he also stated very clearly that he didn't know it was Bucky. That's the only interpretation that makes sense. Because for your version to make sense we would need to accept that Cap lied point blank to Tony's face with zero hesitation and without a 2nd thought, and that’s so out of character for Cap that it just won't add up. Bucky was looking after Cap when he was a boy of course anything that Bucky does will cause Cap to act out of character.
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Post by Nalkarj on Aug 28, 2023 16:38:34 GMT
No it isn't. Me and Ackbar were having a conversation, you just butted in. I'm the one who initiated the conversation about Captain America having an excuse to be somewhat campy, therefore I'm the one who gets to dictate what it's about, not you. You don't like it, go start your own conversation about America. I’m honestly still wondering why he included westerns in his list. It’s perplexingly random. “America campy? The land of gun violence, the Vietnam war, and apple pie?” Of show tunes, the Watergate scandal, and Idaho potato farmers?
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Post by skaathar on Aug 28, 2023 17:25:24 GMT
No it isn't. Me and Ackbar were having a conversation, you just butted in. I'm the one who initiated the conversation about Captain America having an excuse to be somewhat campy, therefore I'm the one who gets to dictate what it's about, not you. You don't like it, go start your own conversation about America. I’m honestly still wondering why he included westerns in his list. It’s perplexingly random. “America campy? The land of gun violence, the Vietnam war, and apple pie?” Yeah, he listed such a random grouping of items that I'm pretty sure he was just trying to be contradictory for the sake of being contradictory.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2023 18:12:39 GMT
I’m honestly still wondering why he included westerns in his list. It’s perplexingly random. “America campy? The land of gun violence, the Vietnam war, and apple pie?” Yeah, he listed such a random grouping of items that I'm pretty sure he was just trying to be contradictory for the sake of being contradictory. I suspect it made sense in his own head. Somehow. But the possibility that he- and Former Sam- are authentic posters who actually believe what they post is too disturbing to consider.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2023 21:10:49 GMT
It really looks like Cap owned up to knowing. That's how I thought I remembered it, but here's the clip. Yes I agree Cap isn't the sort to lie to one's face, but withholding that information would be lying by omission. More importantly though, when Iron Man pressed for the straightest possible answer with no wiggle room, Cap capitulated and said yes.
Judge for yourself but it really, strongly looks like he owned up (reluctantly) to knowing all along Bucky killed Stark's parents.
About 1:55 - 2:15
Again, I have to disagree. Stark's question was vague. "Did you know?" Cap answered very clearly: Yes he did know but he didn't know it was Bucky. Cap answered yes because he actually knew about Tony's parents getting killed. That's what the "yes" was answering. But he also stated very clearly that he didn't know it was Bucky. That's the only interpretation that makes sense. Because for your version to make sense we would need to accept that Cap lied point blank to Tony's face with zero hesitation and without a 2nd thought, and that’s so out of character for Cap that it just won't add up. It doesn't mean Cap's bad, just more complex than he leads on. I certainly agree that it doesn't seem to fit with Cap's character but therein lies the proof. He didn't lie to his face. He owned it when Iron Man essentially gave him no other choice but to answer yes or no.
I don't mind telling you it came across as no other possible way to me when I saw it. Perhaps more importantly though, if the counterargument is Cap wouldn't do that because he's not that type of dude, well, isn't that essentially saying he wouldn't because you have faith that he wouldn't?
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