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Post by yggdrasil on Apr 30, 2023 17:00:12 GMT
these days. - Is it due to it being fashionable? No. - Is it due to the 'look at me' attention-seeking world that social media has created? No. - Is it because more people feel they can express themselves openly? No. Hmm. So how about this? - Nature is fed up with us destroying the planet and other species and wants us gone. What better way - and, critically, one of the few ways within its control - than rendering so many individuals non-reproductive? Think about that in your daily goings-on. One key thing to note - transgendering is highest, by far, among the people who do the most damage to the planet. Coincidence? Maybe. Or maybe not. It's not a very effective way if true, although reading this board and American news feeds would suggest differently, the numbers are miniscule. This was interesting though... www.sciencealert.com/the-y-chromosome-is-slowly-vanishing-a-new-sex-gene-could-be-the-future-of-men
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Post by cinemachinery on Apr 30, 2023 17:03:17 GMT
I think it’s more about technological and social changes bringing instincts honed in a tooth and claw environment further and further from what made those instincts relevant.
I also think it’s going to seem a quaint aspect of the overall change when society looks back a couple of centuries from now.
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Post by yggdrasil on Apr 30, 2023 17:08:11 GMT
Bollocks. Nothing humans are doing to nature is compatible with an ice age or a decent increase in solar activity. Nature survived both numerous times. Duh. Yes there is. Focus on the rate of change. When did an ice age come on in 50 years? And how long did those recoveries take? Hundreds of thousands of years at least. Please think things through a bit more than your average right winger before you get your bollocks out. I posted it once before but the difference this time is due to the excess of power generation that has been required through the extra billions of people in the last century, the planet was previously able to "bounce back" when events happened but we have now passed the point where that is realistic. This is why the " oh, what about the last age" arguments are scientifically illiterate. Was a fascinating read, hope one day to find the book I read it in again, the numbers and amounts we have used in the last century are truly staggering when you see them listed. The only positive thing you can say is that the rest of the world has largely accepted the arguments and (like Covid) see these things as scientific rather than a political issue to show how right wing you are in America. Trouble is that they cause a quarter of the world's pollution.
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Post by ayatollah on Apr 30, 2023 17:17:14 GMT
So nature has some sort of voodoo that makes people act a certain way? Yes - evolution. Nature, or evolution, doesn't act this way. If a species is consuming resources to the point it destroys nature, nature's way of keeping that species low in number is starvation. Maybe a species would evolve to consume less, be smaller in size, or something like that, but not become transgender. The only way something like transgenderism would evolve is if it increased an individual's change of survival.
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Post by ayatollah on Apr 30, 2023 17:19:12 GMT
You've seen an explosion of trans kids because post-western culture is very victim centric, and especially for a white middle class kid, magically discovering you're trans or bi or gay is a way to elevate yourself on the victim hierarchy chart.
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Post by ayatollah on Apr 30, 2023 17:41:16 GMT
Going by cultures present and past that permit gender identification outside of biological orthodoxy, transgenderism is nothing new. It was suppressed in Western culture due to Christianity. True. There's nothing new about this. For all of time there have been people leading lives of quiet desperation because there were no medical options for them and the condemnation of society would be tantamount to being exiled. In every culture? True, old western culture wouldn't have been accepting of transgenderism, but others were, but they weren't 25% trans, so this is obviously not a result of cultural tolerance. Besides, if 25% of people are trans it would be damn near impossible to oppress such a large percentage so totally.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2023 17:52:19 GMT
True. There's nothing new about this. For all of time there have been people leading lives of quiet desperation because there were no medical options for them and the condemnation of society would be tantamount to being exiled. In every culture? True, old western culture wouldn't have been accepting of transgenderism, but others were, but they weren't 25% trans, so this is obviously not a result of cultural tolerance. Besides, if 25% of people are trans it would be damn near impossible to oppress such a large percentage so totally. Are you discussing cross-dressing or actual medical transgenderism? Surgical procedures weren't there for the vast percentage of recorded history.
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Post by Flying Monkeys on Apr 30, 2023 17:52:31 GMT
Nature, or evolution, doesn't act this way. Until now. Our knowledge of nature is minimal, so do not assume we know anything about what is happening - forces never before seen have been awakened.
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Post by OldSamVimes on Apr 30, 2023 17:59:09 GMT
Our society is going forward like John Money's horrific experiment on the Reimer twins wasn't a total failure.
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Post by ayatollah on Apr 30, 2023 18:58:58 GMT
Nature, or evolution, doesn't act this way. Until now. Our knowledge of nature is minimal, so do not assume we know anything about what is happening - forces never before seen have been awakened. That's possible, but there is a name for faith in powers beyond our current comprehension, religion. If I'm going to believe in such things then I'm believing that Jupiter decreed I should have all the pussy.
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Post by ayatollah on Apr 30, 2023 19:00:24 GMT
In every culture? True, old western culture wouldn't have been accepting of transgenderism, but others were, but they weren't 25% trans, so this is obviously not a result of cultural tolerance. Besides, if 25% of people are trans it would be damn near impossible to oppress such a large percentage so totally. Are you discussing cross-dressing or actual medical transgenderism? Surgical procedures weren't there for the vast percentage of recorded history. I'm discussing anyone who wants to change their gender.
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Post by OfUnknownOrigins on Apr 30, 2023 19:04:07 GMT
The Happening without the death.
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Post by ayatollah on Apr 30, 2023 19:06:34 GMT
Going by cultures present and past that permit gender identification outside of biological orthodoxy, transgenderism is nothing new. It was suppressed in Western culture due to Christianity. But in cultures that were accepting of it, was 20% or more of the population trans?
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Post by ayatollah on Apr 30, 2023 19:07:01 GMT
The Happening without the death. So you buy this theory?
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Post by ayatollah on Apr 30, 2023 19:09:09 GMT
It’s not nature doing it, it’s the species that are no longer in balance with it. Humans are clever enough to keep making adjustments to survive but time has run out. Nature never had balance in mind. It would have the strongest survive. I find it hard to believe that it presses its finger down on the scale when one species is too successful. It does, just not this way. If for example deer multiply in a forest, then consume too many edible plants, they begin to die from starvation. Nature doesn't make bucks into does via some nature magic.
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