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Post by Lux on May 3, 2023 20:12:40 GMT
Usain Bolt didn't win every race he ran, therefore something, because reasons. Isn't the argument here that men will always beat women in sports due to their biological advantage? That it is inherently unfair because women have no chance at winning? How do you rectify that argument when trans women do lose to biological women in sports? They lose because even they have the good sense knowing they'll get a full blast of outrage and rightly so for competing knowing they shouldn't have. Or maybe they just didn't feel like it.
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Post by thorshairspray on May 3, 2023 20:17:24 GMT
Usain Bolt didn't win every race he ran, therefore something, because reasons. Isn't the argument here that men will always beat women in sports due to their biological advantage? That it is inherently unfair because women have no chance at winning? How do you rectify that argument when trans women do lose to biological women in sports? Always? No. Most often ? Yes. The fastest female sprinter of all time wouldn't have made it past the first round of the 100 metres Olympics Finals, equalling her record time, she would have finished 46th. No woman would have won a medal in the last 70 years. Stop trying to use an exception to disprove the rule. Again, look at this link boysvswomen.com/#/In the 100 metres, four high school boys beat the womens World Record. Can we stop pretending that males do not have a significant competitive advantage.
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Post by thorshairspray on May 3, 2023 20:19:51 GMT
Isn't the argument here that men will always beat women in sports due to their biological advantage? That it is inherently unfair because women have no chance at winning? How do you rectify that argument when trans women do lose to biological women in sports? They lose because even they have the good sense knowing they'll get a full blast of outrage and rightly so for competing knowing they shouldn't have. Or maybe they just didn't feel like it. People have off days, thats why I mentioned Bolt.
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Post by bartlesby on May 3, 2023 20:26:03 GMT
Isn't the argument here that men will always beat women in sports due to their biological advantage? That it is inherently unfair because women have no chance at winning? How do you rectify that argument when trans women do lose to biological women in sports? Always? No. Most often ? Yes. The fastest female sprinter of all time wouldn't have made it past the first round of the 100 metres Olympics Finals, equalling her record time, she would have finished 46th. No woman would have won a medal in the last 70 years. Stop trying to use an exception to disprove the rule. Again, look at this link boysvswomen.com/#/In the 100 metres, four high school boys beat the womens World Record. Can we stop pretending that males do not have a significant competitive advantage. What exception? It's not uncommon that trans women lose to biological women. In the case of this thread, they didn't win in years prior despite competing. This is the first time they did win, thus the outrage.
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Post by thorshairspray on May 3, 2023 20:28:49 GMT
Always? No. Most often ? Yes. The fastest female sprinter of all time wouldn't have made it past the first round of the 100 metres Olympics Finals, equalling her record time, she would have finished 46th. No woman would have won a medal in the last 70 years. Stop trying to use an exception to disprove the rule. Again, look at this link boysvswomen.com/#/In the 100 metres, four high school boys beat the womens World Record. Can we stop pretending that males do not have a significant competitive advantage. What exception? It's not uncommon that trans women lose to biological women. In the case of this thread, they didn't win in years prior despite competing. This is the first time they did win, thus the outrage. You're trying to argue that unless men pretending to be women can beat all women, then no advantage exists. Why do you ignore every piece of evidence presented to you on this issue?
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Post by averagejoe2021 on May 3, 2023 20:32:37 GMT
What exception? It's not uncommon that trans women lose to biological women. In the case of this thread, they didn't win in years prior despite competing. This is the first time they did win, thus the outrage. You're trying to argue that unless men pretending to be women can beat all women, then no advantage exists. Why do you ignore every piece of evidence presented to you on this issue? I believe it's because ultimately.... Bartles has a big heart. Even though most people from both sides know its absurd to pretend a man is a woman let alone having a man compete against women in women's sports... he isn't keen on the idea of anyone feeling ostracized (regardless of how correct it is). So, we'll see finding an obscure exception and present as a justification. It falls short of course but I would maintain his motivations are noble towards the confused (or potentially opportunistic) men.
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Post by thorshairspray on May 3, 2023 20:36:48 GMT
You're trying to argue that unless men pretending to be women can beat all women, then no advantage exists. Why do you ignore every piece of evidence presented to you on this issue? I believe it's because ultimately.... Bartles has a big heart. Even though most people from both sides know its absurd to pretend a man is a woman let alone having a man compete against women in women's sports... he isn't keen on the idea of anyone feeling ostracized (regardless of how correct it is). So, we'll see finding an obscure exception and present as a justification. It falls short of course but I would maintain his motivations are noble towards the confused (or potentially opportunistic) men. Something about Hell and good intentions.
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Post by bartlesby on May 3, 2023 20:46:22 GMT
What exception? It's not uncommon that trans women lose to biological women. In the case of this thread, they didn't win in years prior despite competing. This is the first time they did win, thus the outrage. You're trying to argue that unless men pretending to be women can beat all women, then no advantage exists. Why do you ignore every piece of evidence presented to you on this issue? No, I'm saying this is evidence to the contrary of the advantage. If men are inherently superior to women in sports, I would expect trans women to be running rampant and dunking on them. Instead, we see close contests and trans women losing. Not just occasionally, but with some regularity. I'm not opposed to tweaking the rules of sports if trans women have an advantage. But we're talking about banning people from participating at all unless they're willing to sacrifice their beliefs.
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Post by jackspicer on May 3, 2023 20:49:16 GMT
So what? Just because a woman is a capable sometimes of beating a man in a sporting event doesn’t mean they should compete together. It will ruin womens sports to have trannies in it. You just care more about appearing woke and pleasing crybaby trannies than about keeping sports fair for women. Well, the claim is that men will come in and completely destroy all their female competitors. If you want to make that claim, you'll have to address the fact that trans women don't always win against women. I'm sure there are some competitions you would lose in the special olympics. Does this mean you should be allowed to compete in the special olympics? Given your posts in this thread, maybe you should.
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Post by bartlesby on May 3, 2023 20:51:34 GMT
Well, the claim is that men will come in and completely destroy all their female competitors. If you want to make that claim, you'll have to address the fact that trans women don't always win against women. I'm sure there are some competitions you would lose in the special olympics. Does this mean you should be allowed to compete in the special olympics? Given your posts in this thread, maybe you should. Very clever, jackie. It speaks to what right-wingers really think about women's sports.
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Post by Lux on May 3, 2023 20:55:16 GMT
I'm sure there are some competitions you would lose in the special olympics. Does this mean you should be allowed to compete in the special olympics? Given your posts in this thread, maybe you should. Very clever, jackie. It speaks to what right-wingers really think about women's sports. But aren't you the one saying that men should invade women's sports and maybe lose when they feel like it?
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Post by bartlesby on May 3, 2023 20:59:40 GMT
Very clever, jackie. It speaks to what right-wingers really think about women's sports. But aren't you the one saying that men should invade women's sports and maybe lose when they feel like it? No. I'm not saying that.
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Post by winstonwolfe on May 3, 2023 21:07:45 GMT
Looks like it’s time to post this again
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Post by hugsfromlv426 on May 3, 2023 23:30:31 GMT
So what? Just because a woman is a capable sometimes of beating a man in a sporting event doesn’t mean they should compete together. It will ruin womens sports to have trannies in it. You just care more about appearing woke and pleasing crybaby trannies than about keeping sports fair for women. Well, the claim is that men will come in and completely destroy all their female competitors. If you want to make that claim, you'll have to address the fact that trans women don't always win against women. And a less talented high-school basketball player might lose one-on-one to a great middle-school player. That doesn't mean that high-school players don't have a huge unfair advantage.
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Post by thorshairspray on May 4, 2023 0:21:12 GMT
You're trying to argue that unless men pretending to be women can beat all women, then no advantage exists. Why do you ignore every piece of evidence presented to you on this issue? No, I'm saying this is evidence to the contrary of the advantage. If men are inherently superior to women in sports, I would expect trans women to be running rampant and dunking on them. Instead, we see close contests and trans women losing. Not just occasionally, but with some regularity. I'm not opposed to tweaking the rules of sports if trans women have an advantage. But we're talking about banning people from participating at all unless they're willing to sacrifice their beliefs. No, it isn't. His last three races he finished 1st, 3rd and 3rd. You're trying to say that because this man didn't come 1st, 1st and 1st, then males do not have an advantage over females. This is honestly not only a ridiculous argument, but you're not thick and you know this flies in the face of reality. Take ANY event from the last Olympics, compare the mens results to the womens results, then come back here and tell me the men didn't do better. In fact compare the female Olympians to US High School Boys records and the women lose.
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