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Post by theBROKEdontrump on May 12, 2023 11:26:48 GMT
Can't wait until they release his web browsing history...and we know the defense is just going to smear the victim.
We are going to hear all bout how neely smoked weed once or twice.
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Post by ayatollah on May 12, 2023 11:29:04 GMT
I am not so sure. The big issue is that Neely never actually assaulted anyone. Screaming and making threats is not enough for this level of violence. The truth is that this is pretty common in New York. You see crazy people screaming and doing crazy shit. Unless they actually harm someone, people just brush it off. A NYC jury would probably know that. It's called "terroristic threat". It's a real crime. If someone is threatening violence, that's enough to justify self-defense. Unless it's a 5 year old or granny on a walker, you pretty much have to take them at their word. In most situations you could leave the area, but on the subway flight isn't an option, so they tried to restrain him as best they could. But Penny is white, Neely is black, narrative fits, now the legions of idiots are after Penny.
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Post by lunda2222 on May 12, 2023 11:31:34 GMT
Ah, the Dreadful Penny.
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Post by theBROKEdontrump on May 12, 2023 11:37:29 GMT
It's called "terroristic threat". It's a real crime. If someone is threatening violence, that's enough to justify self-defense. Unless it's a 5 year old or granny on a walker, you pretty much have to take them at their word. In most situations you could leave the area, but on the subway flight isn't an option, so they tried to restrain him as best they could. But Penny is white, Neely is black, narrative fits, now the legions of idiots are after Penny. Have you ever been to NYC? There are crazy people all the time in the subway....ranting and raving, high as a kite. Majority are harmless. I am sure the trial will reveal many interesting things.
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Post by ayatollah on May 12, 2023 12:10:41 GMT
Unless it's a 5 year old or granny on a walker, you pretty much have to take them at their word. In most situations you could leave the area, but on the subway flight isn't an option, so they tried to restrain him as best they could. But Penny is white, Neely is black, narrative fits, now the legions of idiots are after Penny. Have you ever been to NYC? There are crazy people all the time in the subway....ranting and raving, high as a kite. Majority are harmless. I am sure the trial will reveal many interesting things. And people are getting killed and assaulted by them all the time. You never know which one is harmless and which one is going to murder you.
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Post by movieliker on May 12, 2023 12:57:31 GMT
I haven't seen, and I can't find the extended video of what happened on the Internet.
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Post by movieliker on May 12, 2023 13:01:15 GMT
I doubt any jury will convict from the facts I’ve heard. Why did he hold on though for so long? I guess the autopsy will be very important here if there were any drugs or what not in his system that may have contributed. How do you know he held on "so long". I haven't seen, and I can't find the extended video of the incident. Have you seen it?
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Post by movieliker on May 12, 2023 13:03:03 GMT
I doubt any jury will convict from the facts I’ve heard. I am not so sure. The big issue is that Neely never actually assaulted anyone. Screaming and making threats is not enough for this level of violence. The truth is that this is pretty common in New York. You see crazy people screaming and doing crazy shit. Unless they actually harm someone, people just brush it off. A NYC jury would probably know that. That is wrong. The law says you don't have to wait to be hit to practice self defense.
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Post by movieliker on May 12, 2023 13:04:00 GMT
That seems appropriate. What Penny did was preemptive, not self defense. That is wrong. The law says you don't have to wait to get hit to practice self defense.
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Post by movieliker on May 12, 2023 13:04:41 GMT
Why did he hold on though for so long? I guess the autopsy will be very important here if there were any drugs or what not in his system that may have contributed. So when should he have let go? As soon as he goes unconscious.
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Post by movieliker on May 12, 2023 13:06:09 GMT
People shouldn't have to be sitting ducks, waiting until actually harmed before the law allows them to defend themselves. If a grown man threatens to harm you then you ought to be able to restrain him. It depends how imminent the harm was. From what I gather, the guy was just ranting. But, that is what trials are for. We shall see what the evidence shows. No. Multiple people said he was threatening people.
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Post by movieliker on May 12, 2023 13:07:34 GMT
Unless it's a 5 year old or granny on a walker, you pretty much have to take them at their word. In most situations you could leave the area, but on the subway flight isn't an option, so they tried to restrain him as best they could. But Penny is white, Neely is black, narrative fits, now the legions of idiots are after Penny. Have you ever been to NYC? There are crazy people all the time in the subway....ranting and raving, high as a kite. Majority are harmless. I am sure the trial will reveal many interesting things. Doesn't matter. You cannot threaten people.
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Post by ofunknownorigins on May 12, 2023 13:13:04 GMT
Why did he hold on though for so long? I guess the autopsy will be very important here if there were any drugs or what not in his system that may have contributed. How do you know he held on "so long". I haven't seen, and I can't find the extended video of the incident. Have you seen it? No I haven’t, my understanding is he held him in a choke hold for 15 minutes.
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Post by movieliker on May 12, 2023 13:15:28 GMT
How do you know he held on "so long". I haven't seen, and I can't find the extended video of the incident. Have you seen it? No I haven’t, my understanding is he held him in a choke hold for 15 minutes. I took jiu-jitsu. I learned the rear naked choke. You are supposed to release your opponent as soon as they go unconscious. Otherwise you can cause brain damage and/or death. All these people jumping to conclusions without the evidence are silly.
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Post by movieliker on May 12, 2023 13:16:43 GMT
Thank God. Hopefully, jury will convict him. Why do you say that? Are you racist?
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