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Post by PaulsLaugh on Jun 2, 2023 3:19:38 GMT
Yes, they are. Human skulls, hands, etc., are different from any other animal, jackass. Oh, right, we are SO SPECIAL... not. We evolved just like every other species on earth. Early hominids were very different than modern day humans. Without DNA, which was not available in the 1800's, no bone could be declared a giant human bone. Go back to your other conspiracy theories, jackass. But those skulls are “missing” because the Smithsonian doesn’t want people to believe in Jesus or something. There’s always that grand, unseen evil cabal working for Satan who have been secretly trying to destroy the Church for over thousand years.
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Post by scream on Jun 2, 2023 3:29:45 GMT
Oh, right, we are SO SPECIAL... not. We evolved just like every other species on earth. Early hominids were very different than modern day humans. Without DNA, which was not available in the 1800's, no bone could be declared a giant human bone. Go back to your other conspiracy theories, jackass. But those skulls are “missing” because the Smithsonian doesn’t want people to believe in Jesus or something. There’s always that grand, unseen evil cabal working for Satan who have been secretly trying to destroy the Church for over thousand years. Oh, and don't forget the Da Vinci code...!
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Post by drystyx on Jun 4, 2023 22:32:39 GMT
The Book of Armaments doesn't really say not to count to four or five after pulling the pin on the Holy Hand Grenade. It just says to count to three, period.
And the Book of Styx clearly states that thou must send an organic blueberry pie once a month to Dry Styx
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Post by drystyx on Jun 4, 2023 22:54:45 GMT
And there's ruins left with Sodom and Gomorrah (and those three other cities that I can't ever remember the names of). And you'll say those aren't ruins, but just a natural part of the landscape. There were plenty of mysterious, thousand year old crumbling ruins from the Bronze Age Collapse in the region by the time the Hebrew started writing their stories down around 600 BC. The story then becomes God musta destroyed the place for being wicked…just like preachers today say God used Katrina to destroy New Orleans because of the homosexual sinfulness. The ancient Hebrews, possibly under Solomon, consciously invented much their early history to sound impressive. If they had conquered neighbors so much with a magical box, there would have been accounts of it in the histories of the larger nations surrounding them who used stone, not fragile sheepskins or papyrus, to record their histories. Uh, you've lost touch with reality on that one, and you're generally very rational compared to the others on this board. There is no possible way that a scribe would survive if he wrote down such a humiliating defeat for his king, his general, even his warriors. In the same way, no one in Egypt would dare write down the events of the Exodus. If one did, his papyrus would be destroyed and he would be flayed alive, disemboweled, and quartered. Now, what is strange is how the less than a hundred people that went to live in Egypt at the invite of Joseph suddenly become hundreds of thousands by the Exodus, with nothing explained in between all of that. In fact, it is this "strangeness" that puts a kibosh on your theory, because if they were to fabricate anything, it would be about events during that period. That does bring up another "plausible" theory, though. That the "twelve tribes" were actually twelve different castes of people. That would also explain why the eldest and second eldest weren't the tribe of rabbis, nor the chosen tribe, given to the third and fourth son. Indeed, it would seem there was another criteria for choosing which tribe represented the eldest son, Reuben. It looks like Simeon would have been a warrior class, the soldiers, since he's so violent. One of the other sons is described as a ship builder. Another one, Dan I think, is a lion's whelp, so maybe that was a tribe made up of hunters or something to do with animals. Or maybe it was by skin tone. Maybe Reuben was the darkest complexion one, and Benny was the tribe of the lightest complexion. Or maybe Reuben's tribe was the tallest, and Benny's was the shortest. Or maybe Reuben made sandwiches, and Benny made Hills. And what's with Benny's people being left handed? According to the seminary grads I hear from, it's because they were taught to be "ambidextrous" in order to deliver surprising attacks to enemies. This might make Benny a tribe of entertainers, which would be the low end of the totem pole in Nature. Now, that's speculation, and it may be that the Bible is literal and I'm a fool to speculate. I do think that if the Bible isn't "literal" in the Old Testament before the judges, that the best explanation is the one about the twelve tribes being different interest groups who banded together.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2023 9:38:59 GMT
A whopping 12 followers, that didn't take him seriously. Going by the Bible narrative, he had more followers than that (think of the feeding the 5000). The Twelve were just those he specifically appointed. I think the idea isn't that they didn't take him seriously (they gave up a lot to follow him after all), but they didn't grasp who he was exactly.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2023 9:51:00 GMT
I could be wrong here, but I think a lot of people have the impression that God sent the Ten Plagues on Egypt to pressure Pharaoh to let the Israelites go. But if you actually read Exodus, Moses and Aaron do indeed tell Pharaoh that the plagues are because he will not release the Israelites, but God is quite frank to them in private that he is deliberately hardening Pharaoh's heart so he will refuse to release them, giving God the excuse to send the next plague and thus demonstrate his power.
In a similar vein, I think the common perception of the story of Joseph is that he warns Pharaoh to stockpile food so that he has enough to share with the people when famine hits. But Joseph actually advises Pharaoh to give the food in exchange for land he currently doesn't own, thus using the famine to increase his territory. Joseph becomes vizier of Egypt not because he saved people from starvation but because he made Pharaoh more powerful and wealthy.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Jun 5, 2023 10:05:08 GMT
There were plenty of mysterious, thousand year old crumbling ruins from the Bronze Age Collapse in the region by the time the Hebrew started writing their stories down around 600 BC. The story then becomes God musta destroyed the place for being wicked…just like preachers today say God used Katrina to destroy New Orleans because of the homosexual sinfulness. The ancient Hebrews, possibly under Solomon, consciously invented much their early history to sound impressive. If they had conquered neighbors so much with a magical box, there would have been accounts of it in the histories of the larger nations surrounding them who used stone, not fragile sheepskins or papyrus, to record their histories. Uh, you've lost touch with reality on that one, and you're generally very rational compared to the others on this board. There is no possible way that a scribe would survive if he wrote down such a humiliating defeat for his king, his general, even his warriors. In the same way, no one in Egypt would dare write down the events of the Exodus. If one did, his papyrus would be destroyed and he would be flayed alive, disemboweled, and quartered. Now, what is strange is how the less than a hundred people that went to live in Egypt at the invite of Joseph suddenly become hundreds of thousands by the Exodus, with nothing explained in between all of that. In fact, it is this "strangeness" that puts a kibosh on your theory, because if they were to fabricate anything, it would be about events during that period. That does bring up another "plausible" theory, though. That the "twelve tribes" were actually twelve different castes of people. That would also explain why the eldest and second eldest weren't the tribe of rabbis, nor the chosen tribe, given to the third and fourth son. Indeed, it would seem there was another criteria for choosing which tribe represented the eldest son, Reuben. It looks like Simeon would have been a warrior class, the soldiers, since he's so violent. One of the other sons is described as a ship builder. Another one, Dan I think, is a lion's whelp, so maybe that was a tribe made up of hunters or something to do with animals. Or maybe it was by skin tone. Maybe Reuben was the darkest complexion one, and Benny was the tribe of the lightest complexion. Or maybe Reuben's tribe was the tallest, and Benny's was the shortest. Or maybe Reuben made sandwiches, and Benny made Hills. And what's with Benny's people being left handed? According to the seminary grads I hear from, it's because they were taught to be "ambidextrous" in order to deliver surprising attacks to enemies. This might make Benny a tribe of entertainers, which would be the low end of the totem pole in Nature. Now, that's speculation, and it may be that the Bible is literal and I'm a fool to speculate. I do think that if the Bible isn't "literal" in the Old Testament before the judges, that the best explanation is the one about the twelve tribes being different interest groups who banded together. The only problem is there is no evidence for those battles. Bodies broken by war leave war broken bones in the grave and these cultures didn't cremate their dead. Battlefields leave spear and arrow heads behind. The "twelve tribes" were simply the surrounding tribes in Canaan and the OT wasn't written down in its final form until 500BC. The Hebrews didn't have great armies or stone monuments. What they had was literature.
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Post by Meseia on Jun 9, 2023 4:59:09 GMT
A whopping 12 followers, that didn't take him seriously. Going by the Bible narrative, he had more followers than that (think of the feeding the 5000). The Twelve were just those he specifically appointed. I think the idea isn't that they didn't take him seriously (they gave up a lot to follow him after all), but they didn't grasp who he was exactly. Where were the crowds of protestors? If I saw a man performing unimaginable miracles like feeding 5000 people with a couple of fish and loaves of bread, I would definitely believe that man had divine power. Pilate never mentions these miracles and there is no independent record of them. That's a pretty big miracle to be simply forgotten. Jesus allegedly performed many miracles before his 12 disciples, and they forgot him the minute he was dead. They didn't even recognize him when he returned. Jim Jones got 900 people to drink poison on another continent, and it has become part of our pop culture, "drink the kool-aid". To our knowledge, nothing like that happened with Jesus' miracles.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2023 9:51:18 GMT
Where were the crowds of protestors? If I saw a man performing unimaginable miracles like feeding 5000 people with a couple of fish and loaves of bread, I would definitely believe that man had divine power. Pilate never mentions these miracles and there is no independent record of them. That's a pretty big miracle to be simply forgotten. Yes, you may be right there - as I said, I was going by the Biblical narrative which is likely to contain exaggeration and invention. But if it did happen (and that's a pretty big IF I'll grant you), would someone like Pilate believe the third hand reports of a bunch of yokels about a magic man? I mean you can go on the internet today and find loads of reports of miracles happening every day, but we dismiss them as nonsense. I don't think that's accurate (again as depicted in the Bible - the historical truth is probably never going to be known). The apostles are depicted as scared and confused, but they don't seem to have just gone back to their old lives. Well, considering it was only a couple of days later, even the most fickle of followers would not have failed to recognise their former leader so he must have appeared somewhat different to them. Israel in 4BC had no mass communication.
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Post by Meseia on Jun 9, 2023 17:40:09 GMT
Where were the crowds of protestors? If I saw a man performing unimaginable miracles like feeding 5000 people with a couple of fish and loaves of bread, I would definitely believe that man had divine power. Pilate never mentions these miracles and there is no independent record of them. That's a pretty big miracle to be simply forgotten. Yes, you may be right there - as I said, I was going by the Biblical narrative which is likely to contain exaggeration and invention. But if it did happen (and that's a pretty big IF I'll grant you), would someone like Pilate believe the third hand reports of a bunch of yokels about a magic man? I mean you can go on the internet today and find loads of reports of miracles happening every day, but we dismiss them as nonsense. I don't think that's accurate (again as depicted in the Bible - the historical truth is probably never going to be known). The apostles are depicted as scared and confused, but they don't seem to have just gone back to their old lives. Well, considering it was only a couple of days later, even the most fickle of followers would not have failed to recognise their former leader so he must have appeared somewhat different to them. Israel in 4BC had no mass communication. Crying wolf, sour grapes, Achillies heel, all roads lead to Rome, do unto others..., idioms don't require mass communication.
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Post by SixOfTheRichest on Jun 18, 2023 9:34:23 GMT
Truth
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Post by ShadowSouL Likes This on Jul 10, 2023 5:15:38 GMT
Uh, you've lost touch with reality on that one, and you're generally very rational compared to the others on this board. There is no possible way that a scribe would survive if he wrote down such a humiliating defeat for his king, his general, even his warriors. In the same way, no one in Egypt would dare write down the events of the Exodus. If one did, his papyrus would be destroyed and he would be flayed alive, disemboweled, and quartered. Now, what is strange is how the less than a hundred people that went to live in Egypt at the invite of Joseph suddenly become hundreds of thousands by the Exodus, with nothing explained in between all of that. In fact, it is this "strangeness" that puts a kibosh on your theory, because if they were to fabricate anything, it would be about events during that period. That does bring up another "plausible" theory, though. That the "twelve tribes" were actually twelve different castes of people. That would also explain why the eldest and second eldest weren't the tribe of rabbis, nor the chosen tribe, given to the third and fourth son. Indeed, it would seem there was another criteria for choosing which tribe represented the eldest son, Reuben. It looks like Simeon would have been a warrior class, the soldiers, since he's so violent. One of the other sons is described as a ship builder. Another one, Dan I think, is a lion's whelp, so maybe that was a tribe made up of hunters or something to do with animals. Or maybe it was by skin tone. Maybe Reuben was the darkest complexion one, and Benny was the tribe of the lightest complexion. Or maybe Reuben's tribe was the tallest, and Benny's was the shortest. Or maybe Reuben made sandwiches, and Benny made Hills. And what's with Benny's people being left handed? According to the seminary grads I hear from, it's because they were taught to be "ambidextrous" in order to deliver surprising attacks to enemies. This might make Benny a tribe of entertainers, which would be the low end of the totem pole in Nature. Now, that's speculation, and it may be that the Bible is literal and I'm a fool to speculate. I do think that if the Bible isn't "literal" in the Old Testament before the judges, that the best explanation is the one about the twelve tribes being different interest groups who banded together. The only problem is there is no evidence for those battles. Bodies broken by war leave war broken bones in the grave and these cultures didn't cremate their dead. Battlefields leave spear and arrow heads behind. The "twelve tribes" were simply the surrounding tribes in Canaan and the OT wasn't written down in its final form until 500BC. The Hebrews didn't have great armies or stone monuments. What they had was literature. Weren't the lost twelve tribes what Battlestar Galactica was looking for on its way to Earth?
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