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Post by SixOfTheRichest on Jul 5, 2023 11:02:33 GMT
I'm guessing poetry isn't your long suit. I saw a guy on a religious TV channel recently who said he believed the world could be made in six "literal" days, that is six times twenty-four hours. That's new. I have known many profoundly religious people all my life and no one I knew as a kid believed that -- either when I was a kid or now. Maybe poetry isn't that guy's long suit either. Consider an example of a "story" with a "moral" lesson. Tithonus Tithonus had an opportunity to have a wish granted. He wished for eternal life. As he got older his ability to hear diminished. His sight diminished also. He could no longer walk without a cane. He got more and more miserable with the long passing of time. Then he realized he should have wished for eternal youth. There are variations on the Greek "myth" of Tithonus. In most of them the moral lesson to be extracted is that our efforts to live longer through various "medical" practices avail very little and we all die at about the same time if we die of old age. That of course is very roughly speaking. Some people do live longer and some do experience what they believe is a higher quality of life. It is however nearly impossible in most cases to be certain why. Generally speaking many (not all) "medical" practices are of dubious worth. Medicine as practiced on human beings cannot be entirely "scientific" anyway. While it is possible to conduct "science" on cockroaches or perhaps mice, it is not possible to control enough of the various factors with humans. It is illegal for example to experiment on prisoners in cages. Because atheists are typically mentally retarded, they have a blind faith in the "science" of medicine on humans. They obviously misread the data on death rates during covid. Was Tithonus a "real" person? Probably not. That shouldn't matter though. His story is one with a lesson for many real people even after all these centuries. Was Jesus a "real" person? I suppose it is possible some grand conspiracy made up some details here and there. I don't know. That is not the point anymore than it is the point with Tithonus. When Jesus "died" on the cross he did not necessarily have wounds to his heart or brains or even likely his lungs. When the soldier pierced his "side" it was likely his intestines, which might indeed contain water. Atheists and people who take the Bible too literally are two sides of the same bad coin. They cannot read above a very rudimentary level. At higher levels of reading there is no conflict between science and religion. The problem in the United States insofar as it can be described as a conflict between science and religion is caused by somewhat "retarded" people.
Religious media; television, radio, and internet, often avoid admitting how much higher level allegory, symbolism, metaphor and parable are in religious scriptures in order to appeal to a wider audience that includes children. It is of course far worse on "social" media where children and clearly retarded adults engage in their antics, such as you might find here.
So much is wrong with that post, it's difficult to know where to begin... Welcome back!
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Post by SixOfTheRichest on Jul 5, 2023 11:06:46 GMT
The term "faith" is what I question, for what is one having faith in, if anything? Faith doesn't even exist. It is a product of the mind that is intangible. It can be the right thing for the bearer, but holds no relevance to anyone else, as it is just abstract belief. Faith is a fallacy.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Jul 9, 2023 3:57:13 GMT
I suppose that's true, but does it matter to someone who has faith? A Christian can acknowledge that if they lived at another time and place they might worship Vishnu instead, but as it stands they have faith in Christ and not in Vishnu. And if the level of evidence is roughly equal for Christ or Vishnu then they may as well keep following Christ rather than Vishnu. If Christianity is so perfect, then why are there over a thousand different denominations that can't agree on the right version?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2023 12:11:21 GMT
If Christianity is so perfect, then why are there over a thousand different denominations that can't agree on the right version? When did I say I thought Christianity was perfect?
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Post by drystyx on Jul 9, 2023 23:42:32 GMT
You're as wrong as one can be.
I've known very few people who didn't naturally rebel against what they were told. I estimate only about one in ten adhere to the principles that they hear preached to them in their young days.
More than half of the people I have known who were preached to in Christian churches, by the time they're 18, their inner motto is "If it's in the Bible, I refuse to believe it is possible".
That's just the fact. And it doesn't matter if these people are from rich families, poor families, city dwelling families, rural dwelling families, whatever. It's just the way it is. They're the "sheep". They're the ignorant masses. I didn't make them the ignorant masses. They just have closed minds, certainly five times as many Americans close their minds to Christianity as those who close their minds to testing Christianity.
Now, I can't speak for other cultures, but that's certainly American culture. That's Western culture.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2023 23:55:39 GMT
You're as wrong as one can be. I've known very few people who didn't naturally rebel against what they were told. I estimate only about one in ten adhere to the principles that they hear preached to them in their young days. More than half of the people I have known who were preached to in Christian churches, by the time they're 18, their inner motto is "If it's in the Bible, I refuse to believe it is possible". That's just the fact. And it doesn't matter if these people are from rich families, poor families, city dwelling families, rural dwelling families, whatever. It's just the way it is. They're the "sheep". They're the ignorant masses. I didn't make them the ignorant masses. They just have closed minds, certainly five times as many Americans close their minds to Christianity as those who close their minds to testing Christianity. Now, I can't speak for other cultures, but that's certainly American culture. That's Western culture. No i am not wrong. What i wrote is true, and its true regardless if you belive it or not.
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Post by drystyx on Jul 10, 2023 0:08:47 GMT
You're as wrong as one can be. I've known very few people who didn't naturally rebel against what they were told. I estimate only about one in ten adhere to the principles that they hear preached to them in their young days. More than half of the people I have known who were preached to in Christian churches, by the time they're 18, their inner motto is "If it's in the Bible, I refuse to believe it is possible". That's just the fact. And it doesn't matter if these people are from rich families, poor families, city dwelling families, rural dwelling families, whatever. It's just the way it is. They're the "sheep". They're the ignorant masses. I didn't make them the ignorant masses. They just have closed minds, certainly five times as many Americans close their minds to Christianity as those who close their minds to testing Christianity. Now, I can't speak for other cultures, but that's certainly American culture. That's Western culture. No i am not wrong. What i wrote is true, and its true regardless if you belive it or not. No. What you wrote is the opposite of reality, regardless of whether you believe it or not. Just wanting to believe something doesn't make it true. I'm going by observation and by what I hear people say. I've rarely met anyone who fits your imaginary standard of your dream world. You obviously don't get out much. What you fail to realize in your delusion is that just wanting to believe something won't automatically make it true, no matter how much you demand it to be true. And, when you're dealing with assessing the quality of a belief to how much reality there is to it compared to how much faith there is to it, it's the same as assessing a "most overrated" or "most underrated" quality. It can't be "voted" upon, by definition. The more people who agree with what you say, the more it is false. The more people who disagree with what you say, the more it is true. So, my disagreeing with you is a point in your favor, compared to the "likes" you get that actually vote to disprove your statement in reality. However, I dare say it is obvious I speak with objectivity, while you speak with a vision of an imaginary world, evident by the very posts we make. I'm not sure where you get the idea that there was never any rebellious youth, that the "hippies" didn't exist, that the anti war protests of the sixties and seventies didn't exist, that about 98% of sci fi movies didn't exist, that no one ever made funny of a television evangelist. You truly don't get out much, do you?
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Post by Meseia on Jul 12, 2023 21:24:35 GMT
No i am not wrong. What i wrote is true, and its true regardless if you belive it or not. That's a very Christian thing to say.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2023 21:48:10 GMT
No i am not wrong. What i wrote is true, and its true regardless if you belive it or not. That's a very Christian thing to say. Don`t change the fact that i am correct.
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Post by Meseia on Jul 12, 2023 21:50:30 GMT
That's a very Christian thing to say. Don`t change the fact that i am correct. Facts are facts.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Jul 13, 2023 6:31:52 GMT
If Christianity is so perfect, then why are there over a thousand different denominations that can't agree on the right version? When did I say I thought Christianity was perfect? I’m agreeing with you. It’s not like Christianity is better than Hinduism.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Jul 13, 2023 6:33:06 GMT
You're as wrong as one can be. I've known very few people who didn't naturally rebel against what they were told. I estimate only about one in ten adhere to the principles that they hear preached to them in their young days.More than half of the people I have known who were preached to in Christian churches, by the time they're 18, their inner motto is "If it's in the Bible, I refuse to believe it is possible". That's just the fact. And it doesn't matter if these people are from rich families, poor families, city dwelling families, rural dwelling families, whatever. It's just the way it is. They're the "sheep". They're the ignorant masses. I didn't make them the ignorant masses. They just have closed minds, certainly five times as many Americans close their minds to Christianity as those who close their minds to testing Christianity. Now, I can't speak for other cultures, but that's certainly American culture. That's Western culture. More like 40%.
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Post by drystyx on Jul 13, 2023 7:04:03 GMT
No i am not wrong. What i wrote is true, and its true regardless if you belive it or not. That's a very Christian thing to say. I don't know what "Christian" has to do with what I said. I just spoke rationally. You just speak with a heart full of unprovoked hatred, as do the others who want to be as divisive as you want to be. And that's a demonic feeling we all have to fight, but first you have to admit it's there, or else you won't be fighting it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2023 17:44:14 GMT
When did I say I thought Christianity was perfect? I’m agreeing with you. It’s not like Christianity is better than Hinduism. Ah OK, my bad.
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Post by Meseia on Jul 15, 2023 8:50:58 GMT
That's a very Christian thing to say. I don't know what "Christian" has to do with what I said. I just spoke rationally. You just speak with a heart full of unprovoked hatred, as do the others who want to be as divisive as you want to be. And that's a demonic feeling we all have to fight, but first you have to admit it's there, or else you won't be fighting it. Is this your sock or what's happening?
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