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Post by PaulsLaugh on Jun 26, 2023 4:36:33 GMT
So here is the question: is our true interest in socially stable future tied to our biological drive to procreate and create conditions for our issue to thrive? And if so, what about those unable or unwilling to have children?
Here’s my answer: we got 8 billion people on Planet Earth all competing for limited resources. We will have 9 billions in a few decades and 10 bil soon after that because of the exponential curve has already kicked in. Sooner still, nobody will be thriving except the very rich. That’s our problem, not how many babies we need to have or who should have them.
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Post by bartlesby on Jun 26, 2023 5:03:39 GMT
Is this topic a joke? ![[puzzled]](http://storage.proboards.com/6870873/images/NAXXGDDBnhZbqGHzOHIR.gif) You can be interested in seeking a positive societal outcome for humanity even if you've got no direct personal stakes in it. That's why people get up in arms about countries across an ocean bombing each other even if doesn't affect them. Never doubt the capacity for the human mind to consider things outside of themselves. This is why we even have a concept of time and the future to begin with. We tend to think bigger than ourselves one way or another as a whole. It has nothing to do with gay people or being able to have kids; whether or not they care about the future is an individual issue. |
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Post by papamihel on Jun 26, 2023 5:13:39 GMT
So here is the question: is our true interest in socially stable future tied to our biological drive to procreate and create conditions for our issue to thrive? And if so, what about those unable or unwilling to have children?
Here’s my answer: we got 8 billion people on Planet Earth all competing for limited resources. We will have 9 billions in a few decades and 10 bil soon after that because of the exponential curve has already kicked in. . That's not the worry any more, I believe. Birth rates are going down. We might have only 2 billion people on the planet by the end of the century. |
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Post by papamihel on Jun 26, 2023 5:15:49 GMT
r] Never doubt the capacity for the human mind to consider things outside of themselves. . What is the cause of that, then? |
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Post by bartlesby on Jun 26, 2023 5:20:16 GMT
r] Never doubt the capacity for the human mind to consider things outside of themselves. . What is the cause of that, then? Hard to say if there even was a cause. That's just the way humans work. It's the toolset they have. If you're claiming reproduction and child-bearing leads to greater concern for ideas like the future, that's going to be rough for you. You're going to have a lot of species to explain. |
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Post by papamihel on Jun 26, 2023 5:26:09 GMT
What is the cause of that, then? Hard to say if there even was a cause. That's just the way humans work. It's the toolset they have. What is? Just because you can comprehend something, doesn't mean it will drive you to bend your existence to realize it. |
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Post by bartlesby on Jun 26, 2023 5:28:09 GMT
Hard to say if there even was a cause. That's just the way humans work. It's the toolset they have. What is? Just because you can comprehend something, doesn't mean it will drive you to bend your existence to realize it. What is what? ![[shrug]](http://storage.proboards.com/6870873/images/GNdzQKpfkkHBBwUPdCiE.gif) Moving on, what do you think causes that in people? |
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Post by abbey1227 on Jun 26, 2023 5:28:52 GMT
Gay people often do have relatives with children. You wouldn't accuse a childless uncle or a childness aunt of having no interest in the future of their nephews and nieces, would you? They’re gay men and women who married straight partners in an attempt to live a “normal” and have kids from those marriages.
Unless they were honest upfront, that's a pretty shitty thing to do, imo
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Post by abbey1227 on Jun 26, 2023 5:29:53 GMT
So here is the question: is our true interest in socially stable future tied to our biological drive to procreate and create conditions for our issue to thrive? And if so, what about those unable or unwilling to have children?
Here’s my answer: we got 8 billion people on Planet Earth all competing for limited resources. We will have 9 billions in a few decades and 10 bil soon after that because of the exponential curve has already kicked in. . That's not the worry any more, I believe. Birth rates are going down. We might have only 2 billion people on the planet by the end of the century.
Unless there's a truly effective global plague or human slaughter by others............not a chance
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Post by papamihel on Jun 26, 2023 5:33:40 GMT
What is? Just because you can comprehend something, doesn't mean it will drive you to bend your existence to realize it. What is what? Moving on, what do you think causes that in people? Biology most likely. But I would like to be proven wrong. |
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Post by bartlesby on Jun 26, 2023 5:34:41 GMT
What is what? Moving on, what do you think causes that in people? Biology most likely. But I would like to be proven wrong. Proven wrong? You haven't even presented your proof. Can I see it? |
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Post by papamihel on Jun 26, 2023 5:39:19 GMT
That's not the worry any more, I believe. Birth rates are going down. We might have only 2 billion people on the planet by the end of the century.
Unless there's a truly effective global plague or human slaughter by others............not a chance
Why? |
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Post by papamihel on Jun 26, 2023 5:44:40 GMT
Biology most likely. But I would like to be proven wrong. Proven wrong? You haven't even presented your proof. Can I see it? I'm not going to present anything. It's a scientific fact. We are products of evolution and our behaviour, social structures and hierarchies we create - everything is rooted in biology. Some of that "programming" predates not only modern humans but mammals. |
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Post by abbey1227 on Jun 26, 2023 5:46:30 GMT
Unless there's a truly effective global plague or human slaughter by others............not a chance
Why?
I don't think counting the recent dip in birth rates by legal Americans or the Japanese means that the human population is headed towards 1/4 of it's current figures.
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Post by bartlesby on Jun 26, 2023 5:46:31 GMT
Proven wrong? You haven't even presented your proof. Can I see it? I'm not going to present anything. It's a scientific fact. We are products of evolution and our behaviour, social structures and hierarchies we create - everything is rooted in biology. Some of that "programming" predates not only modern humans but mammals. No, you can't present anything. And that's because you're speculating and there is no proof to be disproved. You're not arguing with logic because otherwise you would be able to take the argument you posted and explain, step by step, that gay people and people who don't want kids do not care about the future of mankind. Across the board or at least significantly so. With some evidence. And now, if you believe what you're saying, is a good time to do that if you have it. Because if you can't, you've got nothing but smoke. |
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