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Post by Lux on Aug 1, 2023 22:17:22 GMT
I’m not a fan myself. His stuff is too tacky. Plus Age of Ultron is one of the most disappointing sequels ever. The Avengers may have been a huge success but I think it’s due to the giddiness it invokes from seeing our heroes together. Joss didn’t add much. He reduced Coulsen to a fanboy (I guess one should write what they know, and I don’t reckon Joss knows much else) and turned Tony’s smartass attitude into lamery with silly jokes. Yeah, The Avengers was competent. But it’s not excellent. Nah, the original Avengers is great. Whedon packed the story into a streamline runtime which flies by (unlike Ultron which dragged). He also kept Hulk/Banner as the Jekyl/Hyde enigma wheras Feige dumbed him down into a neutered buffoon by She-Hulk. Thor was also kept consistent with his comic book, regal, serious self before he was turned into a clown by Taiki. And Loki was a menacing villain until he was emasculated by the wokeness of modern day MCU. The only problem with Whedon is his movies look like they were made for Tv. Denis Villenue is too bland and pretentious for the comic book genre. The New York invasion scenes didn't look "made for TV".
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Post by hauntedknight87 on Aug 1, 2023 22:31:59 GMT
I think he meant the film's cinematography made it looked like it was a TV film, which he isn't wrong.
That is probably my biggest complaint about Avengers 1. The cinematography was pretty poor looking.
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Post by skaathar on Aug 1, 2023 23:22:01 GMT
To be fair, AoU's color palette looked much better, but yes, Avengers' visual style left much to be desired.
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Post by Lux on Aug 2, 2023 0:26:07 GMT
I think he meant the film's cinematography made it looked like it was a TV film, which he isn't wrong. That is probably my biggest complaint about Avengers 1. The cinematography was pretty poor looking. Nope, still doesn't ring a bell. Your clarification makes as much sense as the original comment... Which is none.
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Post by hauntedknight87 on Aug 2, 2023 0:32:16 GMT
I think he meant the film's cinematography made it looked like it was a TV film, which he isn't wrong. That is probably my biggest complaint about Avengers 1. The cinematography was pretty poor looking. Nope, still doesn't ring a bell. Your clarification makes as much sense as the original comment... Which is none. Rewatch the film and you will see.
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Post by Lux on Aug 2, 2023 1:07:03 GMT
Nope, still doesn't ring a bell. Your clarification makes as much sense as the original comment... Which is none. Rewatch the film and you will see. No, it just looks really competently made are you saying the film looks like crap? Because for a film that was released in when it was it wasn't a bad effort at all. Not about bias it's just the truth.
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Post by hauntedknight87 on Aug 2, 2023 1:11:35 GMT
Rewatch the film and you will see. No, it just looks really competently made are you saying the film looks like crap? Because for a film that was released in when it was it wasn't a bad effort at all. Not about bias it's just the truth. It's not that "it's look like crap" it's that the cinematography had a made for tv movie of the early 2000's. I know that Joss Whedon came from a tv background, but the film could have looked way better than it did on film.
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Post by Lux on Aug 2, 2023 1:36:35 GMT
No, it just looks really competently made are you saying the film looks like crap? Because for a film that was released in when it was it wasn't a bad effort at all. Not about bias it's just the truth. It's not that "it's look like crap" it's that the cinematography had a made for tv movie of the early 2000's. I know that Joss Whedon came from a tv background, but the film could have looked way better than it did on film. Just didn't get that impression when watching it. The Helicarrier indoor scenes maybe looked a bit 90s Star Trek/Babylon 5 if that's what you mean.
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Post by kuatorises on Aug 2, 2023 11:34:42 GMT
He certainly knew how to use the Hulk. The public is such a mob. What have you done for me lately and shit. I haven't bothered with Secret Invasion or Ms. Marvel yet, but most of the shows have good reviews. People act like they are all She-Hulk/Secret Invasion. Guardians was very good too and it's 1 of only 2 movies in this phase so far. Dr. Strange 2 has a very good fan score. I call bullshit on it all sucks now. For starters, it's always been mixed. Iron Man 2 is meh (I prefer 3) and I hated the First Avenger. Additionally, I ain't saying the quality hasn't dipped, I'm saying it ain't "that bad". We've got some really good shows since they started (Loki, WandaVision, and Hawkeye). The problem is ratio. Yes, the previous phases had their share of lackluster movies but they were few and far in between. Most phases only had 1, maybe 2 stinkers while the rest were good to great. And speaking of great, you had multiple great movies generously sprinkled throughout the phases, such that you seldom went too long before another homerun MCU movie was released. Phase 1 had 6 movies and 2 of those were homeruns (IM1 and Avengers) Phase 2 had 6 movies and 2 of those were homeruns (CATWS and GOTG) Phase 3 had 11 movies and 5 of those were homeruns (CW, Ragnarok, BP, IW, Endgame) In comparison, phase 4 had 7 movies and only 1 of them could be called a homerun (No Way home). But more than that, a number of phase 4 movies are considered some of the worst movies of the entire MCU (Eternals, Thor L&T, Black Widow). That's a pretty bad ratio, at least when compared to previous MCU phases.
Why is it a homerun or nothing? Some of these movies have scores in the 80s and high 70s, which is not bad in any way, shape, or form. Kinda unfair to throw a movie out because it isn't a "homerun".
There's a lot more movies in Phases 3 and 4. Too many. I don't disagree. I'm simply talking about the what have you done for me lately shit. Loki and WandaVision were lauded. Hell, so was Sam & Bucky (which I personally hated). Now Seceret Invasion sucks and the TV shows are all shit. It's hyperbole and a disingenuous argument, which I can't stand. Someone posted this here on this very site:
It's not fucking dead. It's not a "massive failure." I have no tolerance for that nonsense.
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Post by skaathar on Aug 2, 2023 17:34:47 GMT
The problem is ratio. Yes, the previous phases had their share of lackluster movies but they were few and far in between. Most phases only had 1, maybe 2 stinkers while the rest were good to great. And speaking of great, you had multiple great movies generously sprinkled throughout the phases, such that you seldom went too long before another homerun MCU movie was released. Phase 1 had 6 movies and 2 of those were homeruns (IM1 and Avengers) Phase 2 had 6 movies and 2 of those were homeruns (CATWS and GOTG) Phase 3 had 11 movies and 5 of those were homeruns (CW, Ragnarok, BP, IW, Endgame) In comparison, phase 4 had 7 movies and only 1 of them could be called a homerun (No Way home). But more than that, a number of phase 4 movies are considered some of the worst movies of the entire MCU (Eternals, Thor L&T, Black Widow). That's a pretty bad ratio, at least when compared to previous MCU phases.
Why is it a homerun or nothing? Some of these movies have scores in the 80s and high 70s, which is not bad in any way, shape, or form. Kinda unfair to throw a movie out because it isn't a "homerun".
There's a lot more movies in Phases 3 and 4. Too many. I don't disagree. I'm simply talking about the what have you done for me lately shit. Loki and WandaVision were lauded. Hell, so was Sam & Bucky (which I personally hated). Now Seceret Invasion sucks and the TV shows are all shit. It's hyperbole and a disingenuous argument, which I can't stand. Someone posted this here on this very site:
It's not fucking dead. It's not a "massive failure." I have no tolerance for that nonsense.
Don't go with RT scores, they've been proven to heavily interfere with the audience scores, usually by deleting mass quantities of them. IMDB is a far more accurate measure of audience reaction, and you'll see that Black Widow has a 6.7 rating while the first Thor is a solid 7. Thor TDW - widely considered to be one of the worst MCU movies - is a 6.8. Thor Love and Thunder is a 6.2 and Eternals is 6.3. If you don't like IMDB, then we can go with Metacritic audience scores instead. Black Widow - 6.0 Thor - 7.0 Thor L&T - 4.8 Eternals - 6.2 Iron Man 2 - 6.4 And I'm not discounting the rest of the movies that were simply good but neither great nor bad. But if you did the math, you'll see that phase 4 is also lacking in that regard: Phase 1: 6 movies 2x great 2x good 2x bad Phase 2: 6 movies 2x great 3x good 1x bad Phase 3: 11 movies 5x great 5x good 1x bad (and I'm not even sure Captain Marvel can be considered a bad movie. Divisive is a better term for it) Phase 4: 7 movies 1x great 3x good 3x bad It's too early into phase 5 to make a judgement on it yet but you'll notice that phase 4 has a pretty bad ratio of bad to good to great movies. As for the D+ shows, let's not kid ourselves here. ALL the D+ shows have been divisive. Praised by some, hated by others. For an MCU product to be a homerun you'll want it applauded by the vast majority of audiences, like Avengers or Infinity War or IM1. Every single D+ show has caused divisive reactions, without any of them being universally loved like a lot of previous MCU products. Even something like the first Thor movie might not have gotten universal praise but it also didn't get any strong hatred for it. The D+ shows are so divisive that every single one of them managed to rub a lot of fans the wrong way, even if some of them also managed to get high praise from others. But if you're creating shows that is causing war among your fans, then you're obviously doing something wrong. So in that regard, yes, the TV shows are all crap... even though I personally enjoyed some of them.
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Post by kuatorises on Aug 2, 2023 19:23:51 GMT
Why is it a homerun or nothing? Some of these movies have scores in the 80s and high 70s, which is not bad in any way, shape, or form. Kinda unfair to throw a movie out because it isn't a "homerun".
There's a lot more movies in Phases 3 and 4. Too many. I don't disagree. I'm simply talking about the what have you done for me lately shit. Loki and WandaVision were lauded. Hell, so was Sam & Bucky (which I personally hated). Now Seceret Invasion sucks and the TV shows are all shit. It's hyperbole and a disingenuous argument, which I can't stand. Someone posted this here on this very site:
It's not fucking dead. It's not a "massive failure." I have no tolerance for that nonsense.
Don't go with RT scores, they've been proven to heavily interfere with the audience scores, usually by deleting mass quantities of them. IMDB is a far more accurate measure of audience reaction, and you'll see that Black Widow has a 6.7 rating while the first Thor is a solid 7. Thor TDW - widely considered to be one of the worst MCU movies - is a 6.8. Thor Love and Thunder is a 6.2 and Eternals is 6.3. If you don't like IMDB, then we can go with Metacritic audience scores instead. Black Widow - 6.0 Thor - 7.0 Thor L&T - 4.8 Eternals - 6.2 Iron Man 2 - 6.4 And I'm not discounting the rest of the movies that were simply good but neither great nor bad. But if you did the math, you'll see that phase 4 is also lacking in that regard: Phase 1: 6 movies 2x great 2x good 2x bad Phase 2: 6 movies 2x great 3x good 1x bad Phase 3: 11 movies 5x great 5x good 1x bad (and I'm not even sure Captain Marvel can be considered a bad movie. Divisive is a better term for it) Phase 4: 7 movies 1x great 3x good 3x bad It's too early into phase 5 to make a judgement on it yet but you'll notice that phase 4 has a pretty bad ratio of bad to good to great movies. As for the D+ shows, let's not kid ourselves here. ALL the D+ shows have been divisive. Praised by some, hated by others. For an MCU product to be a homerun you'll want it applauded by the vast majority of audiences, like Avengers or Infinity War or IM1. Every single D+ show has caused divisive reactions, without any of them being universally loved like a lot of previous MCU products. Even something like the first Thor movie might not have gotten universal praise but it also didn't get any strong hatred for it. The D+ shows are so divisive that every single one of them managed to rub a lot of fans the wrong way, even if some of them also managed to get high praise from others. But if you're creating shows that is causing war among your fans, then you're obviously doing something wrong. So in that regard, yes, the TV shows are all crap... even though I personally enjoyed some of them. Your proof of this would be what? I'm serious. I always see people say RT is rigged, but what's the proof? I would/watch read it.
Isn't it common knowledge IMDB has been compromised?
The Dark Knight the highest rated movie of all time before?
Metacritic leans too negative imo. Terminator 2 is a 75 there for Christ's sake. That's simply absurd. I look at the other two before this pit of Hell.
All the MCU shows are not divisive. That's simply untrue.
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Post by skaathar on Aug 2, 2023 20:21:18 GMT
Don't go with RT scores, they've been proven to heavily interfere with the audience scores, usually by deleting mass quantities of them. IMDB is a far more accurate measure of audience reaction, and you'll see that Black Widow has a 6.7 rating while the first Thor is a solid 7. Thor TDW - widely considered to be one of the worst MCU movies - is a 6.8. Thor Love and Thunder is a 6.2 and Eternals is 6.3. If you don't like IMDB, then we can go with Metacritic audience scores instead. Black Widow - 6.0 Thor - 7.0 Thor L&T - 4.8 Eternals - 6.2 Iron Man 2 - 6.4 And I'm not discounting the rest of the movies that were simply good but neither great nor bad. But if you did the math, you'll see that phase 4 is also lacking in that regard: Phase 1: 6 movies 2x great 2x good 2x bad Phase 2: 6 movies 2x great 3x good 1x bad Phase 3: 11 movies 5x great 5x good 1x bad (and I'm not even sure Captain Marvel can be considered a bad movie. Divisive is a better term for it) Phase 4: 7 movies 1x great 3x good 3x bad It's too early into phase 5 to make a judgement on it yet but you'll notice that phase 4 has a pretty bad ratio of bad to good to great movies. As for the D+ shows, let's not kid ourselves here. ALL the D+ shows have been divisive. Praised by some, hated by others. For an MCU product to be a homerun you'll want it applauded by the vast majority of audiences, like Avengers or Infinity War or IM1. Every single D+ show has caused divisive reactions, without any of them being universally loved like a lot of previous MCU products. Even something like the first Thor movie might not have gotten universal praise but it also didn't get any strong hatred for it. The D+ shows are so divisive that every single one of them managed to rub a lot of fans the wrong way, even if some of them also managed to get high praise from others. But if you're creating shows that is causing war among your fans, then you're obviously doing something wrong. So in that regard, yes, the TV shows are all crap... even though I personally enjoyed some of them. Your proof of this would be what? I'm serious. I always see people say RT is rigged, but what's the proof? I would/watch read it.
Isn't it common knowledge IMDB has been compromised?
The Dark Knight the highest rated movie of all time before?
Metacritic leans too negative imo. Terminator 2 is a 75 there for Christ's sake. That's simply absurd. I look at the other two before this pit of Hell.
All the MCU shows are not divisive. That's simply untrue.
Oh I personally experienced it with She-Hulk. I was reviewing RT reviews for She-Hulk and I remember it being around 50% with over 1000 reviews then an hour later I checked again the there was only around 300 reviews left with a score of over 80%. I also personally made a review for Rings of Power when it first dropped and I can no longer find my review. But no need to take my word for it: www.looper.com/972155/the-she-hulk-review-debacle-just-keeps-getting-weirder/www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/azmvi0/rotten_tomatoes_deletes_tens_of_thousands_of_bad/cosmicbook.news/doctor-who-rotten-tomatoes-deleting-reviewsIMDB is not compromised. The main issue with IMDB is that you're allowed to vote on it even before a show airs so it's a bit more susceptible to biased review bombing. However, what most people don't realize is that review bombing usually happens both ways. You'll see just as much 10/10 scores (if not more) on an IMDB show as 1/10 scores even before a film airs. That effectively cancels each other out and you're left with a more or less accurate audience rating. Is IMDB perfect? No, but at least it honestly shows audience reactions without any tampering. RT has admitted that it bulk deletes reviews it believes are a result of review bombing, problem is it's done subjectively and without any accurate way to determine what's review bombing and what's not. After all, my own review got deleted and I certainly wasn't review bombing. Besides, of the 3 major review metric sites (RT, IMDB, Metacritic) you'll find that IMDB and Metacritic are almost always in sync with their audience scores whereas RT is the odd duck. So if you're trying to look for the most dependable metric, well it's most likely going to be the majority right? As for the MCU D+ shows, give me a single show they released that wasn't divisive. Give me a single show that was as universally loved as movies like Infinity War or IM1.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2023 0:37:06 GMT
IMDb blocked all negative reviews for Rings of Power for over a week. Worth noting, of course, that Azamon owns IMDb.
The big RT scam is that most user reviews don’t effect the audience score unless they’re certified viewers or something like that.
All these “review” sites are rigged to some extent.
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Post by kuatorises on Aug 3, 2023 18:05:25 GMT
Your proof of this would be what? I'm serious. I always see people say RT is rigged, but what's the proof? I would/watch read it.
Isn't it common knowledge IMDB has been compromised?
The Dark Knight the highest rated movie of all time before?
Metacritic leans too negative imo. Terminator 2 is a 75 there for Christ's sake. That's simply absurd. I look at the other two before this pit of Hell.
All the MCU shows are not divisive. That's simply untrue.
Oh I personally experienced it with She-Hulk. I was reviewing RT reviews for She-Hulk and I remember it being around 50% with over 1000 reviews then an hour later I checked again the there was only around 300 reviews left with a score of over 80%. I also personally made a review for Rings of Power when it first dropped and I can no longer find my review. But no need to take my word for it: www.looper.com/972155/the-she-hulk-review-debacle-just-keeps-getting-weirder/www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/azmvi0/rotten_tomatoes_deletes_tens_of_thousands_of_bad/cosmicbook.news/doctor-who-rotten-tomatoes-deleting-reviewsIMDB is not compromised. The main issue with IMDB is that you're allowed to vote on it even before a show airs so it's a bit more susceptible to biased review bombing. However, what most people don't realize is that review bombing usually happens both ways. You'll see just as much 10/10 scores (if not more) on an IMDB show as 1/10 scores even before a film airs. That effectively cancels each other out and you're left with a more or less accurate audience rating. Is IMDB perfect? No, but at least it honestly shows audience reactions without any tampering. RT has admitted that it bulk deletes reviews it believes are a result of review bombing, problem is it's done subjectively and without any accurate way to determine what's review bombing and what's not. After all, my own review got deleted and I certainly wasn't review bombing. Besides, of the 3 major review metric sites (RT, IMDB, Metacritic) you'll find that IMDB and Metacritic are almost always in sync with their audience scores whereas RT is the odd duck. So if you're trying to look for the most dependable metric, well it's most likely going to be the majority right? As for the MCU D+ shows, give me a single show they released that wasn't divisive. Give me a single show that was as universally loved as movies like Infinity War or IM1.
Reddit Mens Rights? Cosmic Book News? Come on, man.
Looper is a known site, I give you that. This is from the Looper article btw:
She-Hulk was divisive, Loki and WandaVision were not. Hawkeye is not divisive either. A 7.5/10 (IMDB) is not a divisive show. You're just labeling everything not 100% (ot 10/10) divisive. That's not what that word means.
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Post by skaathar on Aug 3, 2023 18:43:02 GMT
Oh I personally experienced it with She-Hulk. I was reviewing RT reviews for She-Hulk and I remember it being around 50% with over 1000 reviews then an hour later I checked again the there was only around 300 reviews left with a score of over 80%. I also personally made a review for Rings of Power when it first dropped and I can no longer find my review. But no need to take my word for it: www.looper.com/972155/the-she-hulk-review-debacle-just-keeps-getting-weirder/www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/azmvi0/rotten_tomatoes_deletes_tens_of_thousands_of_bad/cosmicbook.news/doctor-who-rotten-tomatoes-deleting-reviewsIMDB is not compromised. The main issue with IMDB is that you're allowed to vote on it even before a show airs so it's a bit more susceptible to biased review bombing. However, what most people don't realize is that review bombing usually happens both ways. You'll see just as much 10/10 scores (if not more) on an IMDB show as 1/10 scores even before a film airs. That effectively cancels each other out and you're left with a more or less accurate audience rating. Is IMDB perfect? No, but at least it honestly shows audience reactions without any tampering. RT has admitted that it bulk deletes reviews it believes are a result of review bombing, problem is it's done subjectively and without any accurate way to determine what's review bombing and what's not. After all, my own review got deleted and I certainly wasn't review bombing. Besides, of the 3 major review metric sites (RT, IMDB, Metacritic) you'll find that IMDB and Metacritic are almost always in sync with their audience scores whereas RT is the odd duck. So if you're trying to look for the most dependable metric, well it's most likely going to be the majority right? As for the MCU D+ shows, give me a single show they released that wasn't divisive. Give me a single show that was as universally loved as movies like Infinity War or IM1.
Reddit Mens Rights? Cosmic Book News? Come on, man.
Looper is a known site, I give you that. This is from the Looper article btw:
She-Hulk was divisive, Loki and WandaVision were not. Hawkeye is not divisive either. A 7.5/10 (IMDB) is not a divisive show. You're just labeling everything not 100% (ot 10/10) divisive. That's not what that word means. Loki and Wanda not divisive? Jeeze dude, have you been living under a rock??? It's hard to depend on reviews and ratings for the D+ shows because majority of those ratings/reviews were made after the first 1-2 episodes were shown. So most of those scores are really only based on the first few episodes rather than the full season. Loki's first 2 episodes were universally loved, it wasn't till after that when people started complaining. Wandavision had a rockier start but was still mostly liked, till the last episode or two. So if you want to use IMDB reviews as a basis, sort the reviews according to review date then look at the latest ones. You'll see that those reviews can be quite erratic.
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