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Post by onethreetwo (he/him) on Jul 4, 2023 18:51:37 GMT
Could he save the MCU?
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Post by politicidal1 on Jul 5, 2023 16:05:51 GMT
Worth a shot.
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Post by Power Ranger on Jul 5, 2023 16:25:14 GMT
I’m not a fan myself. His stuff is too tacky. Plus Age of Ultron is one of the most disappointing sequels ever.
The Avengers may have been a huge success but I think it’s due to the giddiness it invokes from seeing our heroes together. Joss didn’t add much. He reduced Coulsen to a fanboy (I guess one should write what they know, and I don’t reckon Joss knows much else) and turned Tony’s smartass attitude into lamery with silly jokes.
Yeah, The Avengers was competent. But it’s not excellent. And I think that AOU exposed Joss’ flaws.
They have to think outside the box. They can’t rely on the same old clowns that they keep turning to. Also it must be a strict meritocracy. No more activist hires. And no more identity politics. Men should be able to direct female leads and white people can direct minority-led films.
I bet there are many promising directors that they could use. I don’t know much about contemporary cinema TBH. The only guy I can think of is that Denis Villeneuve. But someone who is an auteur.
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Post by skaathar on Jul 31, 2023 6:07:34 GMT
Yeah, I think he can. Outside of the Russo's, Whedon is probably the most dependable director the MCU had. People griped on AoU back when it first showed but AoU is still better than majority of these latter phase 4/5 movies we've been getting. I'd say AoU is better than any non-Russo sequel in the MCU. Better than IM2, Thor TDW, Far from Home and GoTG2. Better than Wakanda Forever too in my opinion.
The thing about Whedon (and Favreau to a degree) is that for all of his faults, he's a legit comic-nerd who cares about the characters and respects them. The Russo's handle big ensemble movies and action scenes better (though that might be because there's 2 of them) but Whedon is a bit truer to each character's personality and power sets. The Russo's produce better movies but usually play fast and loose with character consistency and have shown that they're completely willing to throw a character to the wolves if it means servicing the overall story.
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Post by hauntedknight87 on Jul 31, 2023 7:26:26 GMT
Fuck it, why not? The only thing I don't like in regards to his writing style is his humor. But other than that he's fine.
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Post by skaathar on Jul 31, 2023 7:33:44 GMT
Fuck it, why not? The only thing I don't like in regards to his writing style is his humor. But other than that he's fine. I mean, at least his humor is way better than Gunn's or Taika's. Personally, The Avengers was probably the funniest MCU movie for me that didn't go overboard with the humor. |
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Post by politicidal1 on Jul 31, 2023 19:11:58 GMT
If not, maybe Jon Favreau. He started the whole damn thing.
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Post by skaathar on Jul 31, 2023 19:27:52 GMT
If not, maybe Jon Favreau. He started the whole damn thing. Yeah, Favreau is another good candidate, though of the two of them I'm leaning more towards Whedon simply because Favreau hasn't shown the ability to handle an ensemble movie yet in the MCU. Plus, IM2 is worse than AoU. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2023 21:00:13 GMT
For a solo movie perhaps. Certainly not for an Avengers movie. Age of Ultron showed his limits. He makes fun goofy movies where every character has his voice and humor. It gets old fast.
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Post by skaathar on Aug 1, 2023 16:08:33 GMT
For a solo movie perhaps. Certainly not for an Avengers movie. Age of Ultron showed his limits. He makes fun goofy movies where every character has his voice and humor. It gets old fast. Outside of the Russo's, no other director has shown they can handle an Avengers-type movie. It's easy for us to take it for granted now but back when The Avengers was first announced, most people thought it would be impossible to pull it off because of how complex it sounded. Most people nowadays don't appreciate just how difficult it is to pull off an Avengers movie, but one look at DC's and Fox's multiple failed attempts should prove just how difficult it is. My point being, Whedon should get more credit for even getting AoU to the quality that it was (which is still better than majority of superhero ensemble movies out there) nevermind hitting the homerun with The Avengers. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2023 16:33:26 GMT
For a solo movie perhaps. Certainly not for an Avengers movie. Age of Ultron showed his limits. He makes fun goofy movies where every character has his voice and humor. It gets old fast. Outside of the Russo's, no other director has shown they can handle an Avengers-type movie. It's easy for us to take it for granted now but back when The Avengers was first announced, most people thought it would be impossible to pull it off because of how complex it sounded. Most people nowadays don't appreciate just how difficult it is to pull off an Avengers movie, but one look at DC's and Fox's multiple failed attempts should prove just how difficult it is. My point being, Whedon should get more credit for even getting AoU to the quality that it was (which is still better than majority of superhero ensemble movies out there) nevermind hitting the homerun with The Avengers. I give most of the credit for Infinity War and End Game to the screenwriters though. That’s not to say that the Russos don’t deserve credit too, but those scripts were so well done in terms of balancing all the characters. I think they need to bring Marcus and McFreely back first and foremost. |
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Post by kuatorises on Aug 1, 2023 18:56:25 GMT
He certainly knew how to use the Hulk.
The public is such a mob. What have you done for me lately and shit.
I haven't bothered with Secret Invasion or Ms. Marvel yet, but most of the shows have good reviews. People act like they are all She-Hulk/Secret Invasion.
Guardians was very good too and it's 1 of only 2 movies in this phase so far.
Dr. Strange 2 has a very good fan score.
I call bullshit on it all sucks now. For starters, it's always been mixed. Iron Man 2 is meh (I prefer 3) and I hated the First Avenger. Additionally, I ain't saying the quality hasn't dipped, I'm saying it ain't "that bad". We've got some really good shows since they started (Loki, WandaVision, and Hawkeye).
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Aug 1, 2023 21:03:43 GMT
Hell, nah
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Post by skaathar on Aug 1, 2023 21:24:45 GMT
He certainly knew how to use the Hulk. The public is such a mob. What have you done for me lately and shit. I haven't bothered with Secret Invasion or Ms. Marvel yet, but most of the shows have good reviews. People act like they are all She-Hulk/Secret Invasion. Guardians was very good too and it's 1 of only 2 movies in this phase so far. Dr. Strange 2 has a very good fan score. I call bullshit on it all sucks now. For starters, it's always been mixed. Iron Man 2 is meh (I prefer 3) and I hated the First Avenger. Additionally, I ain't saying the quality hasn't dipped, I'm saying it ain't "that bad". We've got some really good shows since they started (Loki, WandaVision, and Hawkeye). The problem is ratio. Yes, the previous phases had their share of lackluster movies but they were few and far in between. Most phases only had 1, maybe 2 stinkers while the rest were good to great. And speaking of great, you had multiple great movies generously sprinkled throughout the phases, such that you seldom went too long before another homerun MCU movie was released. Phase 1 had 6 movies and 2 of those were homeruns (IM1 and Avengers) Phase 2 had 6 movies and 2 of those were homeruns (CATWS and GOTG) Phase 3 had 11 movies and 5 of those were homeruns (CW, Ragnarok, BP, IW, Endgame) In comparison, phase 4 had 7 movies and only 1 of them could be called a homerun (No Way home). But more than that, a number of phase 4 movies are considered some of the worst movies of the entire MCU (Eternals, Thor L&T, Black Widow). That's a pretty bad ratio, at least when compared to previous MCU phases. |
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Post by charzhino on Aug 1, 2023 21:29:53 GMT
I’m not a fan myself. His stuff is too tacky. Plus Age of Ultron is one of the most disappointing sequels ever. The Avengers may have been a huge success but I think it’s due to the giddiness it invokes from seeing our heroes together. Joss didn’t add much. He reduced Coulsen to a fanboy (I guess one should write what they know, and I don’t reckon Joss knows much else) and turned Tony’s smartass attitude into lamery with silly jokes. Yeah, The Avengers was competent. But it’s not excellent. Nah, the original Avengers is great. Whedon packed the story into a streamline runtime which flies by (unlike Ultron which dragged). He also kept Hulk/Banner as the Jekyl/Hyde enigma wheras Feige dumbed him down into a neutered buffoon by She-Hulk. Thor was also kept consistent with his comic book, regal, serious self before he was turned into a clown by Taiki. And Loki was a menacing villain until he was emasculated by the wokeness of modern day MCU. The only problem with Whedon is his movies look like they were made for Tv. Denis Villenue is too bland and pretentious for the comic book genre. |
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