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Post by charzhino on Jul 20, 2023 9:39:55 GMT
I still don't get why there's such a reluctance to having the Marvel characters interact like this. It's almost as bad as how X-Men fans kept complaining whenever non-Mutant heroes showed up in X-Men stories. X-men world should be kept seperate from non-mutants. Thats the whole point that their existence is unique.
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Post by anwar on Jul 20, 2023 13:31:33 GMT
I still don't get why there's such a reluctance to having the Marvel characters interact like this. It's almost as bad as how X-Men fans kept complaining whenever non-Mutant heroes showed up in X-Men stories. X-men world should be kept seperate from non-mutants. Thats the whole point that their existence is unique. That's lazy incompetent writing. X-Men is about how silly and wrong prejudice is and having non-mutant heroes who don't go through what the X-Men do simply adds to it.
Of course, a bigger reason is that the X-Men have always sucked at their mission.
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Post by kuatorises on Jul 20, 2023 13:38:43 GMT
I still don't get why there's such a reluctance to having the Marvel characters interact like this. It's almost as bad as how X-Men fans kept complaining whenever non-Mutant heroes showed up in X-Men stories. Peggy isn't magical isn't a real argument. Dr. Strange has to fight magical beings isn't a real argument. They don't even try to rationalize it because there's no logic to it.
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Post by kuatorises on Jul 20, 2023 13:42:19 GMT
I still don't get why there's such a reluctance to having the Marvel characters interact like this. It's almost as bad as how X-Men fans kept complaining whenever non-Mutant heroes showed up in X-Men stories. X-men world should be kept seperate from non-mutants. Thats the whole point that their existence is unique. Why are they a part of the Marvel Universe then? If they were meant to be separate, they'd exist outside the main universe.
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Post by anwar on Jul 20, 2023 14:23:28 GMT
I still don't get why there's such a reluctance to having the Marvel characters interact like this. It's almost as bad as how X-Men fans kept complaining whenever non-Mutant heroes showed up in X-Men stories. Peggy isn't magical isn't a real argument. Dr. Strange has to fight magical beings isn't a real argument. They don't even try to rationalize it because there's no logic to it. People who say this also always forget that Kingpin started out as a Spider-Man villain and had nothing to do with Daredevil.
Or that Sabretooth was an Iron Fist villain who had nothing to do with Wolverine.
...Or that Wolverine started out as a Hulk character.
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Post by charzhino on Jul 20, 2023 14:57:09 GMT
X-men world should be kept seperate from non-mutants. Thats the whole point that their existence is unique. Why are they a part of the Marvel Universe then? If they were meant to be separate, they'd exist outside the main universe. Because they were created under the same company. Doesnt mean they shouldnt be separate.
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Post by charzhino on Jul 20, 2023 15:00:10 GMT
X-men world should be kept seperate from non-mutants. Thats the whole point that their existence is unique. That's lazy incompetent writing. X-Men is about how silly and wrong prejudice is and having non-mutant heroes who don't go through what the X-Men do simply adds to it.
Of course, a bigger reason is that the X-Men have always sucked at their mission.
Nonsense. Its never been logical why humans would like a superhero like Thor but not mutants. They all have fantastical powers. Besides, there are non-mutants like Juggernaut who people fear just as much as Xavier, which shows how humans only judge on abilities and not whether someone has the X-gene or not.
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Post by kuatorises on Jul 20, 2023 15:03:01 GMT
Why are they a part of the Marvel Universe then? If they were meant to be separate, they'd exist outside the main universe. Because they were created under the same company. Doesnt mean they shouldnt be separate. They're NOT separate though.
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Post by anwar on Jul 20, 2023 19:12:46 GMT
That's lazy incompetent writing. X-Men is about how silly and wrong prejudice is and having non-mutant heroes who don't go through what the X-Men do simply adds to it.
Of course, a bigger reason is that the X-Men have always sucked at their mission.
Nonsense. Its never been logical why humans would like a superhero like Thor but not mutants. They all have fantastical powers. Besides, there are non-mutants like Juggernaut who people fear just as much as Xavier, which shows how humans only judge on abilities and not whether someone has the X-gene or not. Because Thor doesn't hide who he is, he's open to talking to people and he doesn't live on Earth. The X-Men suck at doing all that and give people a reason to fear them because of how awful they are at their mission.
There have been times where Juggernaut had it easier than the X-Men, actually.
Things actually got better for the X-Men for a while because Xavier was outed by Cassandra Nova and they couldn't hide anymore and...non-mutants decided to start helping them because of this. Xavier outright admitted he was wrong to hide himself and the school as long as he did.
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Post by Power Ranger on Jul 22, 2023 7:05:45 GMT
It’s a mutiverse timelime, one even more inconsequential than the main MCU one. Also, many other big names were taken out just as quickly. Her complaints are nonsense.
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Post by kuatorises on Aug 2, 2023 16:31:33 GMT
It’s a mutiverse timelime, one even more inconsequential than the main MCU one. Also, many other big names were taken out just as quickly. Her complaints are nonsense.
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Post by kuatorises on Aug 2, 2023 18:03:28 GMT
That's lazy incompetent writing. X-Men is about how silly and wrong prejudice is and having non-mutant heroes who don't go through what the X-Men do simply adds to it.
Of course, a bigger reason is that the X-Men have always sucked at their mission.
Nonsense. Its never been logical why humans would like a superhero like Thor but not mutants. They all have fantastical powers. Besides, there are non-mutants like Juggernaut who people fear just as much as Xavier, which shows how humans only judge on abilities and not whether someone has the X-gene or not. The franchise is iconic. It has brought many memorable stories and characters, and is a metaphor for racial stuff, but it's never totally worked. As you point out, having a problem with mutants, but not other super humans, when they all have powers, is ridiculous.
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Post by anwar on Aug 3, 2023 0:40:30 GMT
Nonsense. Its never been logical why humans would like a superhero like Thor but not mutants. They all have fantastical powers. Besides, there are non-mutants like Juggernaut who people fear just as much as Xavier, which shows how humans only judge on abilities and not whether someone has the X-gene or not. The franchise is iconic. It has brought many memorable stories and characters, and is a metaphor for racial stuff, but it's never totally worked. As you point out, having a problem with mutants, but not other super humans, when they all have powers, is ridiculous. The problems only really started around the 80s when the X-Writers started thinking they owned Marvel and made the mutant hate crazy over the top as opposed to the way it was in the 60s and 70s where there were plenty of folks who didn't hate mutants.
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