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Post by Jep Gambardella on Jul 26, 2023 15:35:25 GMT
Indeed, also affects genuine claims of asylum seekers and increases the hate against them by the Daily Mail among others. I wonder what percentage of Asylum Seekers here are genuine refugees rather than economic migrants. My guess would be well below 50%. I know there are 'stats' saying it's much more than 50% but I simply don't believe that. I believe they take what applicants are claiming at face value too readily. And then of course there is the question of whether genuine refugees would travel all the way across half a dozen safe European countries in order to reach the UK.
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Post by Carl LaFong on Jul 26, 2023 15:45:49 GMT
I wonder what percentage of Asylum Seekers here are genuine refugees rather than economic migrants. My guess would be well below 50%. I know there are 'stats' saying it's much more than 50% but I simply don't believe that. I believe they take what applicants are claiming at face value too readily. And then of course there is the question of whether genuine refugees would travel all the way across half a dozen safe European countries in order to reach the UK.
Someone need to develop a mind reading app!
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Post by yggdrasil on Jul 26, 2023 16:27:16 GMT
Indeed, also affects genuine claims of asylum seekers and increases the hate against them by the Daily Mail among others. I wonder what percentage of Asylum Seekers here are genuine refugees rather than economic migrants. My guess would be well below 50%. I know there are 'stats' saying it's much more than 50% but I simply don't believe that. I believe they take what applicants are claiming at face value too readily. You can use a "guesstimate" from where they are coming. Most people from the ME are fleeing losing their homes through war and displacement whilst most Africans are economic migrants. Turkey is used by the EU to block the asylum seekers and Libya for the economic migrants (although I think they aren't coming through there so much any more) Percentages aren't really that important, what we need is to discuss the whole of immigration and split it between "needed and requested" immigration, "legitimate asylum claims" and "others". The "others" is those who should be returned by having a fully funded and staffed system to decide and return within a matter of a few months. Genuine "Asylum seekers" we have a legal requirement to take, NO MATTER WHAT COUNTRIES THEY TRAVEL THROUGH AND NO MATTER HOW THEY GET HERE, under international treaties we are signatory to, requested immigration is what we are currently having to take because the Government is stopping decent pay rises to retain British staff and the "others" will probably be nowhere near the sort of numbers you think they are. The immigration system IS quite straight forward and can sorted out quite easily, we just as a nation to decide if we want cheap foreign labour or more expensive British labour.
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Post by Carl LaFong on Jul 26, 2023 16:41:53 GMT
I wonder what percentage of Asylum Seekers here are genuine refugees rather than economic migrants. My guess would be well below 50%. I know there are 'stats' saying it's much more than 50% but I simply don't believe that. I believe they take what applicants are claiming at face value too readily. You can use a "guesstimate" from where they are coming. Most people from the ME are fleeing losing their homes through war and displacement whilst most Africans are economic migrants. Turkey is used by the EU to block the asylum seekers and Libya for the economic migrants (although I think they aren't coming through there so much any more) Percentages aren't really that important, what we need is to discuss the whole of immigration and split it between "needed and requested" immigration, "legitimate asylum claims" and "others". The "others" is those who should be returned by having a fully funded and staffed system to decide and return within a matter of a few months. Genuine "Asylum seekers" we have a legal requirement to take, NO MATTER WHAT COUNTRIES THEY TRAVEL THROUGH AND NO MATTER HOW THEY GET HERE, under international treaties we are signatory to, requested immigration is what we are currently having to take because the Government is stopping decent pay rises to retain British staff and the "others" will probably be nowhere near the sort of numbers you think they are. The immigration system IS quite straight forward and can sorted out quite easily, we just as a nation to decide if we want cheap foreign labour or more expensive British labour. I'm not sure it'll ever be easy to decide which category a claimant falls into - genuine asylum seeker or not. Not helped by most of them dumping their ID papers etc.
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Post by Carl LaFong on Jul 31, 2023 23:01:58 GMT
Watchdog shuts three solicitors firms accused in asylum sting SRA seizes documents and money of firms that appeared to offer to file false asylum claims for undercover reporter Three law firms in England accused of wrongdoing in dealing with asylum applications have been shut down by the solicitors’ watchdog. The Solicitors Regulation Authority (SRA) has also suspended the practising certificates of three solicitors – one from each of the firms that have been shut down. www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jul/31/watchdog-shuts-three-solicitors-firms-accused-in-asylum-stingGood work by The Mail. Although it’ll be the tip of the iceberg. Long prison sentences for all turds involved please.
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Post by thorshairspray on Jul 31, 2023 23:18:18 GMT
No, no. They are desperate people desperately fleeing war. That Welsh bloke on V2 told me so.
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Post by nostromo on Aug 1, 2023 13:45:42 GMT
No, no. They are desperate people desperately fleeing war. That Welsh bloke on V2 told me so. Yup.
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Post by Carl LaFong on Aug 1, 2023 15:00:34 GMT
No, no. They are desperate people desperately fleeing war. That Welsh bloke on V2 told me so. Yup. Nowhere near all of them. If you can’t acknowledge that then you’re just wasting people’s time.
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Post by nostromo on Aug 1, 2023 15:04:40 GMT
Nowhere near all of them.If you can’t acknowledge that then you’re just wasting people’s time. What's the % ?
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Post by Carl LaFong on Aug 1, 2023 15:06:24 GMT
Nowhere near all of them.If you can’t acknowledge that then you’re just wasting people’s time. What's the % ? 34%
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Post by nostromo on Aug 1, 2023 15:07:42 GMT
Have you got a link to the source?
Is that this year? Last year? Last decade? UK only? EU?
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Post by nostromo on Aug 2, 2023 9:22:13 GMT
Have you got a link to the source? Is that this year? Last year? Last decade? UK only? EU?
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Post by Carl LaFong on Aug 2, 2023 10:14:03 GMT
Have you got a link to the source? Is that this year? Last year? Last decade? UK only? EU? Nope. Made it up. Guesstimate. Not even that. Why?
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Post by nostromo on Aug 2, 2023 10:26:16 GMT
Have you got a link to the source? Is that this year? Last year? Last decade? UK only? EU? Nope. Made it up. Guesstimate. Not even that. Why? Just to prove that when you claimed "Nowhere near all refugees are fleeing persecution". You were spekaing absolute b0ll0x. Because you're a racist.
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Post by Carl LaFong on Aug 2, 2023 10:42:25 GMT
Nope. Made it up. Guesstimate. Not even that. Why? Just to prove that when you claimed "Nowhere near all refugees are fleeing persecution". You were spekaing absolute b0ll0x. Because you're a racist. Pish up ma fucken kilt.
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