|
|
Post by kuatorises on Aug 4, 2023 18:25:54 GMT
I saw an article about Ahsoka and a rumor Christensen might pop up.
WTF is the obsession with this character? Anyone who has ever watched the first two trilogies knows he never had an apprentice. Filoni refuses to move past his little side universe and makes it front and center. Expanded universes are supposed to blend in/be in the background. He puts his front and center and it doesn't work.And he keeps doing it. It's annoying as shit.
|
|
|
|
Post by sdrew13163 on Aug 5, 2023 5:42:12 GMT
It’s only been in the TV side thus far, which I’d argue is in the “background.”
All of these Disney+ series are obviously live action extensions of the animated shows. It wasn’t always apparent, but it certainly is now.
|
|
|
|
Post by kuatorises on Aug 5, 2023 18:58:28 GMT
It’s only been in the TV side thus far, which I’d argue is in the “background.” All of these Disney+ series are obviously live action extensions of the animated shows. It wasn’t always apparent, but it certainly is now. I believe her voice is in The Rise of Skywalker.
This ain't the old days where the EU was comics and books. While popular, they were not brought into every (or even most) conversation. They were their own thing. You could talk about the movies without them coming up. This new EU - and this character in particular - is everywhere.
What is there 8 seasons of Clone Wars? We're supposed to believe all those events and characters took place between 2 movies? Anakin, who wasn't even a master, had an apprentice? Maul came back? Yeah, that's a no for me.
|
|
|
|
Post by sdrew13163 on Aug 5, 2023 20:20:54 GMT
It’s only been in the TV side thus far, which I’d argue is in the “background.” All of these Disney+ series are obviously live action extensions of the animated shows. It wasn’t always apparent, but it certainly is now. I believe her voice is in The Rise of Skywalker.
This ain't the old days where the EU was comics and books. While popular, they were not brought into every (or even most) conversation. They were their own thing. You could talk about the movies without them coming up. This new EU - and this character in particular - is everywhere.
What is there 8 seasons of Clone Wars? We're supposed to believe all those events and characters took place between 2 movies? Anakin, who wasn't even a master, had an apprentice? Maul came back? Yeah, that's a no for me.
I still think you can talk about the 9 Skywalker Saga movies without ever needing to include anything in these shows or even the off-shoot movies, Rogue One and Solo. The show is just a deep dive into the Prequel era. Lots of politics and world building, but none of it makes the movies more or less comprehensible. An argument could be made that it explains the Sifo Dyas and Order 66 subplots fully and makes the movies more compelling and fleshed out, but again, it’s not required. There’s six seasons between Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith. A decent portion focus on Ahsoka/Anakin/Obi-Wan, but it’s not so much that it’s unbelievable that it all happened in that timeframe. Season 7 takes place during Revenge of the Sith (at least the majority of it). S6 and S7 are also both very short, so it’s more like 5.75 seasons. |
|
|
|
Post by kuatorises on Aug 8, 2023 22:26:22 GMT
I believe her voice is in The Rise of Skywalker.
This ain't the old days where the EU was comics and books. While popular, they were not brought into every (or even most) conversation. They were their own thing. You could talk about the movies without them coming up. This new EU - and this character in particular - is everywhere.
What is there 8 seasons of Clone Wars? We're supposed to believe all those events and characters took place between 2 movies? Anakin, who wasn't even a master, had an apprentice? Maul came back? Yeah, that's a no for me.
I still think you can talk about the 9 Skywalker Saga movies without ever needing to include anything in these shows or even the off-shoot movies, Rogue One and Solo. The show is just a deep dive into the Prequel era. Lots of politics and world building, but none of it makes the movies more or less comprehensible. An argument could be made that it explains the Sifo Dyas and Order 66 subplots fully and makes the movies more compelling and fleshed out, but again, it’s not required. There’s six seasons between Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith. A decent portion focus on Ahsoka/Anakin/Obi-Wan, but it’s not so much that it’s unbelievable that it all happened in that timeframe. Season 7 takes place during Revenge of the Sith (at least the majority of it). S6 and S7 are also both very short, so it’s more like 5.75 seasons. That's exactly what it does. It's not believable that she exists, let alone sooooooooo involved in 7 seasons of events that don't exists in the prequels. |
|
|
|
Post by sdrew13163 on Aug 9, 2023 1:33:36 GMT
I still think you can talk about the 9 Skywalker Saga movies without ever needing to include anything in these shows or even the off-shoot movies, Rogue One and Solo. The show is just a deep dive into the Prequel era. Lots of politics and world building, but none of it makes the movies more or less comprehensible. An argument could be made that it explains the Sifo Dyas and Order 66 subplots fully and makes the movies more compelling and fleshed out, but again, it’s not required. There’s six seasons between Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith. A decent portion focus on Ahsoka/Anakin/Obi-Wan, but it’s not so much that it’s unbelievable that it all happened in that timeframe. Season 7 takes place during Revenge of the Sith (at least the majority of it). S6 and S7 are also both very short, so it’s more like 5.75 seasons. That's exactly what it does. It's not believable that she exists, let alone sooooooooo involved in 7 seasons of events that don't exists in the prequels. I disagree. There isn’t a single moment in the 9 Skywalker Saga movies that doesn’t make sense if you don’t know who Ahsoka is. |
|
|
|
Post by kuatorises on Aug 9, 2023 15:12:32 GMT
That's exactly what it does. It's not believable that she exists, let alone sooooooooo involved in 7 seasons of events that don't exists in the prequels. I disagree. There isn’t a single moment in the 9 Skywalker Saga movies that doesn’t make sense if you don’t know who Ahsoka is. Where's the evidence in the movies he ever had an apprentice? |
|
|
|
Post by sdrew13163 on Aug 10, 2023 0:02:53 GMT
I disagree. There isn’t a single moment in the 9 Skywalker Saga movies that doesn’t make sense if you don’t know who Ahsoka is. Where's the evidence in the movies he ever had an apprentice? There isn’t any. That’s not my argument. My argument is that the existence of Ahsoka in the TV shows doesn’t confuse the main movies whatsoever, thus making her existence irrelevant to those who choose to watch only the movies. |
|
|
|
Post by kuatorises on Aug 10, 2023 14:30:36 GMT
Where's the evidence in the movies he ever had an apprentice? There isn’t any. That’s not my argument. My argument is that the existence of Ahsoka in the TV shows doesn’t confuse the main movies whatsoever, thus making her existence irrelevant to those who choose to watch only the movies. It doesn't work with the main movies whatsoever. The events from the shows, which are now the focal point of the franchise, and movies don't mesh and the shows are — that's the point.
In the old days, you could totally ignore the books and comics.They had their fanbase, but most fans didn't read them. Nowadays, you can't ignore this EU. You don't have to watch it, but you can't escape it.
|
|
|
|
Post by anwar on Sept 3, 2023 2:08:59 GMT
Filoni can't do anything but gutless fanservice, that's the real problem
|
|
|
|
Post by kuatorises on Sept 3, 2023 14:28:20 GMT
Filoni can't do anything but gutless fanservice, that's the real problem I think he seems like a very nice guy and his fondness of the franchise is genuine. But his obsession with that damn cartoon and it's characters is beyond frustrating. It makes no sense his characters are this huge presence in his stories, when they are nowhere to be found in the movies. And they disappear for 30 years (during the OT), but are right back in the mix post-ROTJ? Stop. None of them age either. It's so poorly written. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2023 16:28:28 GMT
That's exactly what it does. It's not believable that she exists, let alone sooooooooo involved in 7 seasons of events that don't exists in the prequels. I disagree. There isn’t a single moment in the 9 Skywalker Saga movies that doesn’t make sense if you don’t know who Ahsoka is. I disagree with that. I never heard of her till The Mandalorian.
Not piggybacking on any complaining mind you. I never watched any of the animated shows and only a handful of the new live action ones, so my viewing experience will probably be different. I didn't know Anakin had an apprentice either, but whole decades pass off screen so it makes sense to me what we see isn't all there is.
|
|
|
|
Post by sdrew13163 on Sept 3, 2023 21:20:19 GMT
I disagree. There isn’t a single moment in the 9 Skywalker Saga movies that doesn’t make sense if you don’t know who Ahsoka is. I disagree with that. I never heard of her till The Mandalorian.
Not piggybacking on any complaining mind you. I never watched any of the animated shows and only a handful of the new live action ones, so my viewing experience will probably be different. I didn't know Anakin had an apprentice either, but whole decades pass off screen so it makes sense to me what we see isn't all there is.
I think I’m doing a poor job of explaining my point, but I’ll try again. I simply mean that the extra stuff (Clone Wars, Mandalorian, Bad Batch, etc) is “take it or leave it” world building when it comes to the saga movies. I mostly enjoy these extra TV shows, but for someone like my dad who hasn’t watched any of it, he can still appreciate and understand everything in the three trilogies. Ahsoka’s existence doesn’t compromise anything in the picture of those 9 movies. To me, it’s no different than the EU novels in years prior. They added lore in the background, but not having read them didn’t make the original six incomprehensible. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2023 22:01:22 GMT
I disagree with that. I never heard of her till The Mandalorian.
Not piggybacking on any complaining mind you. I never watched any of the animated shows and only a handful of the new live action ones, so my viewing experience will probably be different. I didn't know Anakin had an apprentice either, but whole decades pass off screen so it makes sense to me what we see isn't all there is.
I think I’m doing a poor job of explaining my point, but I’ll try again. I simply mean that the extra stuff (Clone Wars, Mandalorian, Bad Batch, etc) is “take it or leave it” world building when it comes to the saga movies. I mostly enjoy these extra TV shows, but for someone like my dad who hasn’t watched any of it, he can still appreciate and understand everything in the three trilogies. Ahsoka’s existence doesn’t compromise anything in the picture of those 9 movies. To me, it’s no different than the EU novels in years prior. They added lore in the background, but not having read them didn’t make the original six incomprehensible. It's me. I did a super poor job. I got confused by the double negative. Whoops. ![[grin]](http://storage.proboards.com/6870873/images/CBubFSUbXfyoLMZUjeBb.gif)
If I understood correctly the first time I wouldn't have said I disagreed at all. I understood all the movies fine just like your dad without Ahsoka's existence compromising anything. |
|
|
|
Post by kuatorises on Sept 4, 2023 14:13:36 GMT
I disagree. There isn’t a single moment in the 9 Skywalker Saga movies that doesn’t make sense if you don’t know who Ahsoka is. I disagree with that. I never heard of her till The Mandalorian.
Not piggybacking on any complaining mind you. I never watched any of the animated shows and only a handful of the new live action ones, so my viewing experience will probably be different. I didn't know Anakin had an apprentice either, but whole decades pass off screen so it makes sense to me what we see isn't all there is.
He didn't.
It's the same thing with the Obi Wan show, which I actually enjoyed, but runs into the same kinda issues. Obi Wan and Vader never had some secret fight (let alone 2) in between the two trilogies. Back in the day we had books and comics. Hell, we still do. I've read and even liked some of them. Marvel's Star Wars comics are pretty good. But they are just there. They exist. They aren't at the forefront and they generally don't contradict anything. These shows? They are rife contradictions and things we all know never happened. They are loud and proud about it too. They are all over sites like IGN and Collider. Back when it was just books and comics? They just existed. Even Lucas looked at it like an alternate universe:
|
|
