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Post by clusium on Aug 14, 2023 19:57:07 GMT
The Armenian Genocide.
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Post by politicidal1 on Aug 15, 2023 1:06:54 GMT
I have heard of it before.
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Post by Meseia on Aug 16, 2023 21:08:43 GMT
There are quite a few forgotten genocides in the 20th century. The media tends to focus on one in particular and forget that many others happened.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Aug 17, 2023 9:18:06 GMT
It was a genocide, but religion was not the driving factor. The Balkan nations had been killing off and expelling their Muslim populations and Turkey needed somewhere for them to go, so they killed off the Armenians for their land. Forced conversion were done on survivors, more so to destroy the Armenian identity.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Aug 17, 2023 9:19:12 GMT
There are quite a few forgotten genocides in the 20th century. The media tends to focus on one in particular and forget that many others happened. One can easily argue the Manifest Destiny was a genocide. |
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Post by Hairynosedwombat on Aug 17, 2023 18:43:39 GMT
There are quite a few forgotten genocides in the 20th century. The media tends to focus on one in particular and forget that many others happened. One can easily argue the Manifest Destiny was a genocide. As was Australias assimilation policy of the early 20th C, illustrated in the film Rabbit Proof Fence. |
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Post by ayatollah on Aug 27, 2023 18:40:16 GMT
It was a genocide, but religion was not the driving factor. The Balkan nations had been killing off and expelling their Muslim populations and Turkey needed somewhere for them to go, so they killed off the Armenians for their land. Forced conversion were done on survivors, more so to destroy the Armenian identity. If religion was t the driving factor then why not murder ethnic Turks for their land? You're telling me they just randomly selected the ethnic/religious minority Armenians? They also killed thousands of Greeks in eastern Turkey (Ionia). |
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Aug 27, 2023 19:01:21 GMT
It was a genocide, but religion was not the driving factor. The Balkan nations had been killing off and expelling their Muslim populations and Turkey needed somewhere for them to go, so they killed off the Armenians for their land. Forced conversion were done on survivors, more so to destroy the Armenian identity. If religion was t the driving factor then why not murder ethnic Turks for their land? You're telling me they just randomly selected the ethnic/religious minority Armenians? They also killed thousands of Greeks in eastern Turkey (Ionia). It was more about tribalism than religion, because the religion is a seamless part of the culture in that part of the world, more so at the turn of the century, just like the Jewish genocide was not about religion, but the modern, neo-tribalism of racial purity. It didn’t matter to the Nazi what the Jews believed in, an atheist Jew or Jewish convert to Christianity was put to death as quickly as the most learned rabbi. However, that Christianity had demonized Jews for one thousand years factored in most German Christians, not all, having no problem with the genocide. It’s been noted, that as mighty social orders like empires crumble, genocide will often follow as society reorders itself out of the chaos. The Ottomans fell alongside the Austro-Hungarian, German, and Russian monarchies after WWI. The lesser known Muslim genocide in the Balkans was the precursor to the Armenian genocide. And in the aftermath of communism falling in the USSR and Yugoslavia, there was another Muslim purge in the Balkans in the 1990s. |
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Post by ayatollah on Aug 27, 2023 19:07:12 GMT
If religion was t the driving factor then why not murder ethnic Turks for their land? You're telling me they just randomly selected the ethnic/religious minority Armenians? They also killed thousands of Greeks in eastern Turkey (Ionia). It was more about tribalism than religion, because the religion is a seamless part of the culture in that part of the world, more so at the turn of the century, just like the Jewish genocide was not about religion, but the modern, neo-tribalism of racial purity. It didn’t matter to the Nazi what the Jews believed in, an atheist Jew or Jewish convert to Christianity was put to death as quickly as the most learned rabbi. However, that Christianity had demonized Jews for one thousand years factored in most German Christians, not all, having no problem with the genocide. It’s been noted, that as mighty social orders like empires crumble, genocide will often follow as society reorders itself out of the chaos. The Ottomans fell alongside the Austro-Hungarian, German, and Russian monarchies after WWI. The lesser known Muslim genocide in the Balkans was the precursor to the Armenian genocide. And in the aftermath of communism falling in the USSR and Yugoslavia, there was another Muslim purge in the Balkans in the 1990s. Those Muslim genocides came after centuries of colonization and slavery of the Slavic people of southeastern Europe, so many were enslaved that our word for slave comes from Slav. |
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Aug 27, 2023 19:10:51 GMT
It was more about tribalism than religion, because the religion is a seamless part of the culture in that part of the world, more so at the turn of the century, just like the Jewish genocide was not about religion, but the modern, neo-tribalism of racial purity. It didn’t matter to the Nazi what the Jews believed in, an atheist Jew or Jewish convert to Christianity was put to death as quickly as the most learned rabbi. However, that Christianity had demonized Jews for one thousand years factored in most German Christians, not all, having no problem with the genocide. It’s been noted, that as mighty social orders like empires crumble, genocide will often follow as society reorders itself out of the chaos. The Ottomans fell alongside the Austro-Hungarian, German, and Russian monarchies after WWI. The lesser known Muslim genocide in the Balkans was the precursor to the Armenian genocide. And in the aftermath of communism falling in the USSR and Yugoslavia, there was another Muslim purge in the Balkans in the 1990s. Those Muslim genocides came after centuries of colonization and slavery of the Slavic people of southeastern Europe, so many were enslaved that our word for slave comes from Slav. If that’s what you want to believe, but it’s not that simple and you’re not willing or too afraid to find out for yourself, so you will never understand what’s happening around you. |
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Post by ayatollah on Aug 27, 2023 19:16:21 GMT
Those Muslim genocides came after centuries of colonization and slavery of the Slavic people of southeastern Europe, so many were enslaved that our word for slave comes from Slav. If that’s what you want to believe, but it’s not that simple and you’re not willing or too afraid to find out for yourself, so you will never understand what’s happening around you. Only one group of people are ever colonizers and slaveowners, huh? |
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Aug 27, 2023 19:29:19 GMT
If that’s what you want to believe, but it’s not that simple and you’re not willing or too afraid to find out for yourself, so you will never understand what’s happening around you. Only one group of people are ever colonizers and slaveowners, huh? Only one group of colonizers and slave owners that proclaimed such Christian love in their hearts as they colonized and enslaved…and perpetuated genocide. At least the Muslims never pretended to love thy neighbor as thyself. Even so, as I see it, White Christians are no better or worse at being human beings than Brown Muslims. My beef with the WCsis, they think they are sooooo better than anyone else. It’s not being failed humans that grips me about MAGA, or as it was once called, the Moral Majority. It is the gargantuan hypocrisy. |
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Post by ayatollah on Aug 27, 2023 19:40:45 GMT
Only one group of people are ever colonizers and slaveowners, huh? Only one group of colonizers and slave owners that proclaimed such Christian love in their hearts as they colonized and enslaved…and perpetuated genocide. At least the Muslims never pretended to love thy neighbor as thyself. Even so, as I see it, White Christians are no better or worse at being human beings than Brown Muslims. My beef with the WCsis, they think they are sooooo better than anyone else. It’s not being failed humans that grips me about MAGA, or as it was once called, the Moral Majority. It is the gargantuan hypocrisy. So what? The Nazis also straight out told you they hated you, thought themselves superior and wanted you dead. Does this honesty make them any less evil? IMO a forthright enemy is better than one that hides his true intentions. Have you ever seen The Dark Crystal? |
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Aug 28, 2023 12:29:41 GMT
Only one group of colonizers and slave owners that proclaimed such Christian love in their hearts as they colonized and enslaved…and perpetuated genocide. At least the Muslims never pretended to love thy neighbor as thyself. Even so, as I see it, White Christians are no better or worse at being human beings than Brown Muslims. My beef with the WCsis, they think they are sooooo better than anyone else. It’s not being failed humans that grips me about MAGA, or as it was once called, the Moral Majority. It is the gargantuan hypocrisy. So what? The Nazis also straight out told you they hated you, thought themselves superior and wanted you dead. Does this honesty make them any less evil? IMO a forthright enemy is better than one that hides his true intentions. Have you ever seen The Dark Crystal? Less hypocritical, not less evil. And two airplanes into the WTC is not hiding anything. Their intentions were clear. Bush/Cheney sidetracked the nation into a very lucrative (for them) 20 year oil war with with an evil, murderous bastard (we original supported as stabilizer in the region) who was innocent of 9/11. How is that any less fucked up than Jihadi Muslims? And no. |
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Post by Mulder and Scully on Aug 31, 2023 10:32:36 GMT
It was a genocide, but religion was not the driving factor. The Balkan nations had been killing off and expelling their Muslim populations and Turkey needed somewhere for them to go, so they killed off the Armenians for their land. Forced conversion were done on survivors, more so to destroy the Armenian identity. Muslims have been destorying nations for over a thousand years. Persia became muslim Iran. The Byzantine empire became Turkey. The Islamization of Egypt, Afghanistan, Indonesia etc. |
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