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Post by Hnefahogg on Aug 21, 2023 18:46:46 GMT
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Post by clusium on Aug 21, 2023 22:40:29 GMT
You beat me to it.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Aug 22, 2023 2:14:05 GMT
Actually if look at the actual data, literally the opposite is true, people today are smarter and more educated (there are far more people with college degrees and IQ scores are dramatically higher than they were years ago). More proof that Maher is a silly, goofy man that no one should take seriously.
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Post by yggdrasil on Aug 22, 2023 8:28:01 GMT
As societies advance superstitions inevitably die out and are replaced by science and rational source, that's why they are still strongest in the less technically advanced societies around the world.
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Post by bomtombadil on Aug 22, 2023 12:37:30 GMT
I'm not just Atheist, I'm Thetheist!
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Post by amyghost on Aug 23, 2023 2:49:33 GMT
Typical false equivalency, of the sort delusional christers love.
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Post by Meseia on Aug 23, 2023 2:59:39 GMT
Thou Shalt Abide! 
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Post by Meseia on Aug 23, 2023 3:01:29 GMT
Actually if look at the actual data, literally the opposite is true, people today are smarter and more educated (there are far more people with college degrees and IQ scores are dramatically higher than they were years ago). More proof that Maher is a silly, goofy man that no one should take seriously. I have no doubt that what you are saying is true but a lot of them sure seem dumb.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Aug 23, 2023 3:05:03 GMT
Actually if look at the actual data, literally the opposite is true, people today are smarter and more educated (there are far more people with college degrees and IQ scores are dramatically higher than they were years ago). More proof that Maher is a silly, goofy man that no one should take seriously. I have no doubt that what you are saying is true but a lot of them sure seem dumb. Well yeah if your social media is feeding you a bunch of boomer memes ("GenZ is a bunch of degenerates!") it would appear that way, but again if we look at the actual EMPIRICAL data, people are in fact smarter today than they were decades ago.
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Post by Meseia on Aug 23, 2023 4:06:58 GMT
I have no doubt that what you are saying is true but a lot of them sure seem dumb. Well yeah if your social media is feeding you a bunch of boomer memes ("GenZ is a bunch of degenerates!") it would appear that way, but again if we look at the actual EMPIRICAL data, people are in fact smarter today than they were decades ago. Assuming you are correct, they are performing better at measured tasks. If you've spent much time around intelligent people, you'll understand there is intelligence and then there is intelligence. For example I know a helicopter mechanic and he is outstanding at that job. 4 year degree, A&P license, years of experience with fixed wing and rotor craft, but can't change the oil in his car. He can't translate the information he learned about aircraft into other vehicles. I know engineers who are incredibly gullible to the point of being foolish. I don't watch Mahr usually and I don't know what he said but I suspect he was speaking colloquially about people being weak minded and susceptible to conditioning via social influencers, pop media, educators, and politicians. How else do you get to some absurd beliefs like the gender nonsense, modern feminism, QAnon dumbassery, and of course every millennial and zoomer has a list of mental health issues, most of which don't match up to anything in the DSM because they were fabricated by social influencers. So yes, we are probably better educated and perform better on standardized tests but that doesn't mean we aren't dumber.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Aug 23, 2023 4:21:25 GMT
Well yeah if your social media is feeding you a bunch of boomer memes ("GenZ is a bunch of degenerates!") it would appear that way, but again if we look at the actual EMPIRICAL data, people are in fact smarter today than they were decades ago. Assuming you are correct, they are performing better at measured tasks. If you've spent much time around intelligent people, you'll understand there is intelligence and then there is intelligence. For example I know a helicopter mechanic and he is outstanding at that job. 4 year degree, A&P license, years of experience with fixed wing and rotor craft, but can't change the oil in his car. He can't translate the information he learned about aircraft into other vehicles. I know engineers who are incredibly gullible to the point of being foolish. I don't watch Mahr usually and I don't know what he said but I suspect he was speaking colloquially about people being weak minded and susceptible to conditioning via social influencers, pop media, educators, and politicians. How else do you get to some absurd beliefs like the gender nonsense, modern feminism, QAnon dumbassery, and of course every millennial and zoomer has a list of mental health issues, most of which don't match up to anything in the DSM because they were fabricated by social influencers. So yes, we are probably better educated and perform better on standardized tests but that doesn't mean we aren't dumber. "If you've spent much time around intelligent people, you'll understand there is intelligence and then there is intelligence." You realize anecdotal evidence is not a good way to make examinations about reality right? As humans we are susceptible to things like confirmation bias and motivated reasoning, so it is important to base our assesments on reality on actual data/studies/science/etc, rather than personal experience "gender nonsense" You realize gender theory is widely accepted amongst psychologists, sociologists, academics, etc. You think they're bunch of morons? "modern feminism" What do you mean by that? Feminism is a very broad, wide field that includes many different ideas, often clashing with one another. For instance there are feminists that are against pornography, believing it is degrading to women, and there are those for it, believing it is there body and their choice. You can find capitalist feminists who believe there should be more female CEOs, while marxist feminist argue it is capitalism that oppresses women to begin with. You can find atheist feminists that believe religion oppresses women, while there are Christian and Muslim feminists that believe it is perfectly compatible with feminism. Again, if your social media feed is full of a bunch of blue haired college students reading awful slam poetry, than that is going to really distort your idea of what "feminism" is. "QAnon dumbassery" There's always been riddiculous conspiracy theories, that's nothing new. If were comparing Qanon to jewish conspiracy theories (which is what it basically is), those have been around for decades if not centuries. "and of course every millennial and zoomer has a list of mental health issues" I would have to see actual data on that. Now it is true that things like ADD and autism are diagnosed more often, but that's only because psychologists didn't really know about them as much years ago.
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Post by Meseia on Aug 23, 2023 4:52:18 GMT
Assuming you are correct, they are performing better at measured tasks. If you've spent much time around intelligent people, you'll understand there is intelligence and then there is intelligence. For example I know a helicopter mechanic and he is outstanding at that job. 4 year degree, A&P license, years of experience with fixed wing and rotor craft, but can't change the oil in his car. He can't translate the information he learned about aircraft into other vehicles. I know engineers who are incredibly gullible to the point of being foolish. I don't watch Mahr usually and I don't know what he said but I suspect he was speaking colloquially about people being weak minded and susceptible to conditioning via social influencers, pop media, educators, and politicians. How else do you get to some absurd beliefs like the gender nonsense, modern feminism, QAnon dumbassery, and of course every millennial and zoomer has a list of mental health issues, most of which don't match up to anything in the DSM because they were fabricated by social influencers. So yes, we are probably better educated and perform better on standardized tests but that doesn't mean we aren't dumber. "If you've spent much time around intelligent people, you'll understand there is intelligence and then there is intelligence." You realize anecdotal evidence is not a good way to make examinations about reality right? As humans we are susceptible to things like confirmation bias and motivated reasoning, so it is important to base our assesments on reality on actual data/studies/science/etc, rather than personal experience "gender nonsense" You realize gender theory is widely accepted amongst psychologists, sociologists, academics, etc. You think they're bunch of morons? "modern feminism" What do you mean by that? Feminism is a very broad, wide field that includes many different ideas, often clashing with one another. For instance there are feminists that are against pornography, believing it is degrading to women, and there are those for it, believing it is there body and their choice. You can find capitalist feminists who believe there should be more female CEOs, while marxist feminist argue it is capitalism that oppresses women to begin with. Again, if your social media feed is full of a bunch of blue haired college students reading awful slam poetry, than that is going to really distort your idea of what "feminism" is. "QAnon dumbassery" There's always been riddiculous conspiracy theories, that's nothing new. If were comparing Qanon to jewish conspiracy theories (which is what is basically is), those have been around for decades if not centuries. "and of course every millennial and zoomer has a list of mental health issues" I would have to see actual data on that. Now it is true that things like ADD and autism are diagnosed more often, but that's only because psychologists didn't really know about them as much years ago. As for anecdotal evidence, I'm having a casual conversation, not trying to beat you down intellectually. And anecdotal doesn't mean wrong, or without merit. Gender theory isn't science. If you believe it is, you've allowed yourself to be misled and are an example of what Mahr is presumably talking about. "Psychologists, sociologists, academics" isn't science. Psychology is a so-called science without works. They have produced nothing and rarely can even agree on a single diagnosis or treatment. That said, I believe it has value, but take it for what it is, don't build it up to be something it's not. Psychology also put thousands of innocent people in prison with its repressed memories bullshit, which is again trying to revive. And it's amusing that you bitch about anecdotal evidence while trotting out sociology and psychology as meaningful in the same way as biology or chemistry. Modern feminism isn't about empowering women which was always bullshit anyway. It took men thousands of years to gain political freedom, women achieved it in a relative eyeblink afterward, thanks to men. If the patriarchy were real, women wouldn't have political freedom. AS for providing you data ... why? You've provided none, so don't ask for any in return. And if you do post something know that I will first research the authors, then the content, so I suggest you do so too before linking whatever is at the top of a 30 second good search. ;) A lot of that stuff is complete bullshit. If you want to have a debate, then you'll have to be interesting. But I'd rather have casual conversation.
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Post by Roxy on Aug 23, 2023 4:59:38 GMT
I'm not just Atheist, I'm Thetheist! I thought you were The Batman! Can't believe I fell for that line *rabble rabble rabble*
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Post by lowtacks86 on Aug 23, 2023 5:09:13 GMT
"If you've spent much time around intelligent people, you'll understand there is intelligence and then there is intelligence." You realize anecdotal evidence is not a good way to make examinations about reality right? As humans we are susceptible to things like confirmation bias and motivated reasoning, so it is important to base our assesments on reality on actual data/studies/science/etc, rather than personal experience "gender nonsense" You realize gender theory is widely accepted amongst psychologists, sociologists, academics, etc. You think they're bunch of morons? "modern feminism" What do you mean by that? Feminism is a very broad, wide field that includes many different ideas, often clashing with one another. For instance there are feminists that are against pornography, believing it is degrading to women, and there are those for it, believing it is there body and their choice. You can find capitalist feminists who believe there should be more female CEOs, while marxist feminist argue it is capitalism that oppresses women to begin with. Again, if your social media feed is full of a bunch of blue haired college students reading awful slam poetry, than that is going to really distort your idea of what "feminism" is. "QAnon dumbassery" There's always been riddiculous conspiracy theories, that's nothing new. If were comparing Qanon to jewish conspiracy theories (which is what is basically is), those have been around for decades if not centuries. "and of course every millennial and zoomer has a list of mental health issues" I would have to see actual data on that. Now it is true that things like ADD and autism are diagnosed more often, but that's only because psychologists didn't really know about them as much years ago. As for anecdotal evidence, I'm having a casual conversation, not trying to beat you down intellectually. And anecdotal doesn't mean wrong, or without merit. Gender theory isn't science. If you believe it is, you've allowed yourself to be misled and are an example of what Mahr is presumably talking about. "Psychologists, sociologists, academics" isn't science. Psychology is a so-called science without works. They have produced nothing and rarely can even agree on a single diagnosis or treatment. That said, I believe it has value, but take it for what it is, don't build it up to be something it's not. Psychology also put thousands of innocent people in prison with its repressed memories bullshit, which is again trying to revive. And it's amusing that you bitch about anecdotal evidence while trotting out sociology and psychology as meaningful in the same way as biology or chemistry. Modern feminism isn't about empowering women which was always bullshit anyway. It took men thousands of years to gain political freedom, women achieved it in a relative eyeblink afterward, thanks to men. If the patriarchy were real, women wouldn't have political freedom. AS for providing you data ... why? You've provided none, so don't ask for any in return. And if you do post something know that I will first research the authors, then the content, so I suggest you do so too before linking whatever is at the top of a 30 second good search. ;) A lot of that stuff is complete bullshit. If you want to have a debate, then you'll have to be interesting. But I'd rather have casual conversation. "As for anecdotal evidence, I'm having a casual conversation, not trying to beat you down intellectually." Ok but when making broad assessment about reality, which is better anecdotal evidence or data? "And anecdotal doesn't mean wrong, or without merit." Well by itself I would argue it doesn't have much merit for the reasons I already pointed out. It's ok perhaps for reinforcing what the data already shows, but that's really about it. Otherwise you would have to believe in any number of riddiculous ideas just based on anecdotal evidence (such as the Earth being flat) "Gender theory isn't science." According to who? You realize it is taught in psychology studies, which is considered a scientific field, right? "Psychologists, sociologists, academics" isn't science" Then why does wikipidia list them as "science"? "They have produced nothing" and rarely can even agree on a single diagnosis or treatment." Then why are there countless studies and journals written on psyhcology and sociology that could fill libraries? "and rarely can even agree on a single diagnosis or treatment." You realize that's what the DSM is for, right? "Psychology also put thousands of innocent people in prison with its repressed memories bullshit, which is again trying to revive." Can you show me actual data on that? "And it's amusing that you bitch about anecdotal evidence while trotting out sociology and psychology as meaningful in the same way as biology or chemistry." That's not an example of "anecdotal evidence" so I dunno why you brought that up. "Modern feminism isn't about empowering women which was always bullshit anyway." Can you give me any actual examples of this and not just vague statements? I get the feeling your "knowledge" of feminism is watching a bunch of neckbeards on Youtube whine about Anita Sarkessian. "It took men thousands of years to gain political freedom, women achieved it in a relative eyeblink afterward, thanks to men." Men have been vastly in control for quite some time (vast majority of political leaders are still men), women only relatively recently got the right to vote, so I dunno where you're getting this from. Also "thanks to men" is a really weird thing to say, you could say that about a lot of oppressors/oppressees. If I kidnapped someone and decided to let them go, you could argue "thanks to the kidnapper that kidnapped the person to begin with, that person is free, what a great person he is!", you realize what an absurd thing that is to say, right? "AS for providing you data ... why? You've provided none" I did, I mentioned how college degrees and IQ scores have risen dramatically over time, do you want me to send you links? "so don't ask for any in return." Well let's be honest, that's probably because you have none
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Post by stammerhead on Aug 23, 2023 11:14:36 GMT
Perhaps atheists are the only ones not becoming dumber while the fundamentalist believers are now in rapid mental decline.
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