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Post by SixOfTheRichest on Aug 23, 2023 14:29:57 GMT
Americans don't need to be atheist or religious to be considered dumb. They just are what they are, stoopid. The Brits are just as bad too.
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Post by SixOfTheRichest on Aug 23, 2023 14:31:23 GMT
Thou Shalt Abide!  Cut his hair short and that image would improve.
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Post by SixOfTheRichest on Aug 23, 2023 14:53:20 GMT
Assuming you are correct, they are performing better at measured tasks. If you've spent much time around intelligent people, you'll understand there is intelligence and then there is intelligence. For example I know a helicopter mechanic and he is outstanding at that job. 4 year degree, A&P license, years of experience with fixed wing and rotor craft, but can't change the oil in his car. He can't translate the information he learned about aircraft into other vehicles. I know engineers who are incredibly gullible to the point of being foolish. I don't watch Mahr usually and I don't know what he said but I suspect he was speaking colloquially about people being weak minded and susceptible to conditioning via social influencers, pop media, educators, and politicians. How else do you get to some absurd beliefs like the gender nonsense, modern feminism, QAnon dumbassery, and of course every millennial and zoomer has a list of mental health issues, most of which don't match up to anything in the DSM because they were fabricated by social influencers. So yes, we are probably better educated and perform better on standardized tests but that doesn't mean we aren't dumber. "If you've spent much time around intelligent people, you'll understand there is intelligence and then there is intelligence." You realize anecdotal evidence is not a good way to make examinations about reality right? As humans we are susceptible to things like confirmation bias and motivated reasoning, so it is important to base our assesments on reality on actual data/studies/science/etc, rather than personal experience "gender nonsense" You realize gender theory is widely accepted amongst psychologists, sociologists, academics, etc. You think they're bunch of morons? "modern feminism" What do you mean by that? Feminism is a very broad, wide field that includes many different ideas, often clashing with one another. For instance there are feminists that are against pornography, believing it is degrading to women, and there are those for it, believing it is there body and their choice. You can find capitalist feminists who believe there should be more female CEOs, while marxist feminist argue it is capitalism that oppresses women to begin with. You can find atheist feminists that believe religion oppresses women, while there are Christian and Muslim feminists that believe it is perfectly compatible with feminism. Again, if your social media feed is full of a bunch of blue haired college students reading awful slam poetry, than that is going to really distort your idea of what "feminism" is. "QAnon dumbassery" There's always been riddiculous conspiracy theories, that's nothing new. If were comparing Qanon to jewish conspiracy theories (which is what it basically is), those have been around for decades if not centuries. "and of course every millennial and zoomer has a list of mental health issues" I would have to see actual data on that. Now it is true that things like ADD and autism are diagnosed more often, but that's only because psychologists didn't really know about them as much years ago. You sound a tad triggered. Anecdotal evidence is facade and just paints a pattern, doesn't give the wider picture. Personal experience amounts for instinctual intelligence, not academic, which can become compartmentalized and theoretical and can segue back into anecdotal mode.
Your next point just proves you are triggered, because you believe in gender theory, which is just a pseudo-science of abstract nonsense. Where is the logical and objective evidence to prove gender theory being a genuine science? Where is the logic in the morons that endorse it?
That feminism is very broad, only proves how confused it is, and any idealized movement can become distorted due to changing social values and attitudes. What feminism used to represent is not the same today. Feminism is also a prime example of confirmation bias.
Conspiracy theories can at times hold some truth at the core of them. They might be distorted and it is also impossible to prove a conspiracy, otherwise it wouldn't become one in the first place. It doesn't mean they can't hold some weight. The source of many is deliberate.
Psychologists make up shit for relevance most of the time and they change their minds. They want to prove how intelligent they are over the abstract and anecdotal evidence.
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Post by lowtacks86 on Aug 23, 2023 15:33:36 GMT
"If you've spent much time around intelligent people, you'll understand there is intelligence and then there is intelligence." You realize anecdotal evidence is not a good way to make examinations about reality right? As humans we are susceptible to things like confirmation bias and motivated reasoning, so it is important to base our assesments on reality on actual data/studies/science/etc, rather than personal experience "gender nonsense" You realize gender theory is widely accepted amongst psychologists, sociologists, academics, etc. You think they're bunch of morons? "modern feminism" What do you mean by that? Feminism is a very broad, wide field that includes many different ideas, often clashing with one another. For instance there are feminists that are against pornography, believing it is degrading to women, and there are those for it, believing it is there body and their choice. You can find capitalist feminists who believe there should be more female CEOs, while marxist feminist argue it is capitalism that oppresses women to begin with. You can find atheist feminists that believe religion oppresses women, while there are Christian and Muslim feminists that believe it is perfectly compatible with feminism. Again, if your social media feed is full of a bunch of blue haired college students reading awful slam poetry, than that is going to really distort your idea of what "feminism" is. "QAnon dumbassery" There's always been riddiculous conspiracy theories, that's nothing new. If were comparing Qanon to jewish conspiracy theories (which is what it basically is), those have been around for decades if not centuries. "and of course every millennial and zoomer has a list of mental health issues" I would have to see actual data on that. Now it is true that things like ADD and autism are diagnosed more often, but that's only because psychologists didn't really know about them as much years ago. You sound a tad triggered. Anecdotal evidence is facade and just paints a pattern, doesn't give the wider picture. Personal experience amounts for instinctual intelligence, not academic, which can become compartmentalized and theoretical and can segue back into anecdotal mode.
Your next point just proves you are triggered, because you believe in gender theory, which is just a pseudo-science of abstract nonsense. Where is the logical and objective evidence to prove gender theory being a genuine science? Where is the logic in the morons that endorse it?
That feminism is very broad, only proves how confused it is, and any idealized movement can become distorted due to changing social values and attitudes. What feminism used to represent is not the same today. Feminism is also a prime example of confirmation bias.
Conspiracy theories can at times hold some truth at the core of them. They might be distorted and it is also impossible to prove a conspiracy, otherwise it wouldn't become one in the first place. It doesn't mean they can't hold some weight. The source of many is deliberate.
Psychologists make up shit for relevance most of the time and they change their minds. They want to prove how intelligent they are over the abstract and anecdotal evidence.
"You sound a tad triggered." Yes, anti-intellectualism does tend to trigger me, you got me there. "Personal experience amounts for instinctual intelligence, not academic, which can become compartmentalized and theoretical and can segue back into anecdotal mode." Which do you think is a better way to make assesements about reality, personal anecdotes or data and and studies compiled by experts? "What feminism used to represent is not the same today." Can you give me actual examples? "Feminism is also a prime example of confirmation bias." I don't think you know what "comfirmation bias" means. You can't just take whatever idealogy and label it as "confirmation bias", otherwise you could just do that with any idalogy ("Conservatism is just confirmation bias"). Do you see why that is silly? "Conspiracy theories can at times hold some truth at the core of them. They might be distorted and it is also impossible to prove a conspiracy, otherwise it wouldn't become one in the first place. It doesn't mean they can't hold some weight. The source of many is deliberate." Just because a conspiracy theory has some truth to it doesn't mean it should be taken seriously. For instance, just because Alex Jones says 9-11 was based on a lie (which is true) doesn't mean therefore it was secretly orchestrated by the New World Order. It's fine to just go ahead and dismiss silly conspiracy theories even if that have some grain of truth. "Psychologists make up shit for relevance most of the time and they change their minds. They want to prove how intelligent they are over the abstract and anecdotal evidence." And now it's becoming apparent why you defend conspiracy theories, because that's' really the only way you can rationalize your world view. This is actually the same line of reasoning creationists use to justify their scientific illiteracy: "God hating scientists just lie to cover up the truth, they want to prove how intelligent they are over religious people". Do you see why what you said was silly?
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Post by Meseia on Aug 24, 2023 7:16:10 GMT
As for anecdotal evidence, I'm having a casual conversation, not trying to beat you down intellectually. And anecdotal doesn't mean wrong, or without merit. Gender theory isn't science. If you believe it is, you've allowed yourself to be misled and are an example of what Mahr is presumably talking about. "Psychologists, sociologists, academics" isn't science. Psychology is a so-called science without works. They have produced nothing and rarely can even agree on a single diagnosis or treatment. That said, I believe it has value, but take it for what it is, don't build it up to be something it's not. Psychology also put thousands of innocent people in prison with its repressed memories bullshit, which is again trying to revive. And it's amusing that you bitch about anecdotal evidence while trotting out sociology and psychology as meaningful in the same way as biology or chemistry. Modern feminism isn't about empowering women which was always bullshit anyway. It took men thousands of years to gain political freedom, women achieved it in a relative eyeblink afterward, thanks to men. If the patriarchy were real, women wouldn't have political freedom. AS for providing you data ... why? You've provided none, so don't ask for any in return. And if you do post something know that I will first research the authors, then the content, so I suggest you do so too before linking whatever is at the top of a 30 second good search. ;) A lot of that stuff is complete bullshit. If you want to have a debate, then you'll have to be interesting. But I'd rather have casual conversation. "As for anecdotal evidence, I'm having a casual conversation, not trying to beat you down intellectually." Ok but when making broad assessment about reality, which is better anecdotal evidence or data? (Reminder, you've posted zero data. I'm not going to put in more effort than you.)"And anecdotal doesn't mean wrong, or without merit." Well by itself I would argue it doesn't have much merit for the reasons I already pointed out. It's ok perhaps for reinforcing what the data already shows, but that's really about it. Otherwise you would have to believe in any number of riddiculous ideas just based on anecdotal evidence (such as the Earth being flat) (If you would argue that, then do, don't just talk about it. So far, you haven't posted any evidence, not even anecdotal, so f- off with this BS)
"Gender theory isn't science." According to who? You realize it is taught in psychology studies, which is considered a scientific field, right? (According to biology, which I studied in college) Richard Dawkins: ‘Race is a spectrum. Sex is pretty damn binary’
"Psychologists, sociologists, academics" isn't science" Then why does wikipidia list them as "science"? (You should ask Wikipedia, not me. I didn't write it. There is a concept of hard vs soft science. Physics, chem, bio are examples of hard science. Anthro, sociology, are examples of soft sciences.)"They have produced nothing" and rarely can even agree on a single diagnosis or treatment." Then why are there countless studies and journals written on psyhcology and sociology that could fill libraries? (Add to the general knowledge of society, to solidify one's career, to spread misinformation or produce fluff for pop media and internet goons to reference, to review previous literature in the effort to look relevant, any combination of the previous. But psych papers aren't works in the same sense that med/bio has created vaccines, developed germ theory, performs complex surgeries, and many other advancements. To my knowledge, psych has never cured any disease and as I previously mentioned, rarely can agree on a diagnosis or treatment.)"and rarely can even agree on a single diagnosis or treatment." You realize that's what the DSM is for, right? (The DSM doesn't diagnose, people do.)
"Psychology also put thousands of innocent people in prison with its repressed memories bullshit, which is again trying to revive." Can you show me actual data on that? (Can you show me any data? You haven't so far.)
"And it's amusing that you bitch about anecdotal evidence while trotting out sociology and psychology as meaningful in the same way as biology or chemistry." That's not an example of "anecdotal evidence" so I dunno why you brought that up. (Because it's insight into failing to apply the same standards to both sides of this discussion.)
"Modern feminism isn't about empowering women which was always bullshit anyway." Can you give me any actual examples of this and not just vague statements? I get the feeling your "knowledge" of feminism is watching a bunch of neckbeards on Youtube whine about Anita Sarkessian. (I get the feeling your "knowledge" of feminism comes from pop media, memes, and your ass.)"It took men thousands of years to gain political freedom, women achieved it in a relative eyeblink afterward, thanks to men." Men have been vastly in control for quite some time (Some men, and some women, have been in control for a long time, but most men and women had no political power. Feminism made an arbitrary line based on gender but there are many lines that could be drawn between those with power and those without, that are much more meaningful.) (vast majority of political leaders are still men), women only relatively recently got the right to vote (men only relatively recently got the right to vote), so I dunno where you're getting this from (this? They are facts from history) . Also "thanks to men" is a really weird thing to say, you could say that about a lot of oppressors/oppressees. If I kidnapped someone and decided to let them go, you could argue "thanks to the kidnapper that kidnapped the person to begin with, that person is free, what a great person he is!", you realize what an absurd thing that is to say, right? (You just wrote a lot of dumb things that are not counters to what I wrote. Try harder.)
"AS for providing you data ... why? You've provided none" I did, I mentioned (Mentioning isn't data, so no) how college degrees and IQ scores have risen dramatically over time, do you want me to send you links? "so don't ask for any in return." Well let's be honest, that's probably because you have none (reminder, you have posted none)I told you to be interesting and you didn't rise to the challenge, just reposted your own preconceptions. Boring.
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Post by ghostlymurr on Aug 24, 2023 15:59:11 GMT
Pretty sure propagandized Boomers are still solidly Christian
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Post by lowtacks86 on Aug 24, 2023 16:45:56 GMT
"As for anecdotal evidence, I'm having a casual conversation, not trying to beat you down intellectually." Ok but when making broad assessment about reality, which is better anecdotal evidence or data? (Reminder, you've posted zero data. I'm not going to put in more effort than you.)"And anecdotal doesn't mean wrong, or without merit." Well by itself I would argue it doesn't have much merit for the reasons I already pointed out. It's ok perhaps for reinforcing what the data already shows, but that's really about it. Otherwise you would have to believe in any number of riddiculous ideas just based on anecdotal evidence (such as the Earth being flat) (If you would argue that, then do, don't just talk about it. So far, you haven't posted any evidence, not even anecdotal, so f- off with this BS)
"Gender theory isn't science." According to who? You realize it is taught in psychology studies, which is considered a scientific field, right? (According to biology, which I studied in college) Richard Dawkins: ‘Race is a spectrum. Sex is pretty damn binary’
"Psychologists, sociologists, academics" isn't science" Then why does wikipidia list them as "science"? (You should ask Wikipedia, not me. I didn't write it. There is a concept of hard vs soft science. Physics, chem, bio are examples of hard science. Anthro, sociology, are examples of soft sciences.)"They have produced nothing" and rarely can even agree on a single diagnosis or treatment." Then why are there countless studies and journals written on psyhcology and sociology that could fill libraries? (Add to the general knowledge of society, to solidify one's career, to spread misinformation or produce fluff for pop media and internet goons to reference, to review previous literature in the effort to look relevant, any combination of the previous. But psych papers aren't works in the same sense that med/bio has created vaccines, developed germ theory, performs complex surgeries, and many other advancements. To my knowledge, psych has never cured any disease and as I previously mentioned, rarely can agree on a diagnosis or treatment.)"and rarely can even agree on a single diagnosis or treatment." You realize that's what the DSM is for, right? (The DSM doesn't diagnose, people do.)
"Psychology also put thousands of innocent people in prison with its repressed memories bullshit, which is again trying to revive." Can you show me actual data on that? (Can you show me any data? You haven't so far.)
"And it's amusing that you bitch about anecdotal evidence while trotting out sociology and psychology as meaningful in the same way as biology or chemistry." That's not an example of "anecdotal evidence" so I dunno why you brought that up. (Because it's insight into failing to apply the same standards to both sides of this discussion.)
"Modern feminism isn't about empowering women which was always bullshit anyway." Can you give me any actual examples of this and not just vague statements? I get the feeling your "knowledge" of feminism is watching a bunch of neckbeards on Youtube whine about Anita Sarkessian. (I get the feeling your "knowledge" of feminism comes from pop media, memes, and your ass.)"It took men thousands of years to gain political freedom, women achieved it in a relative eyeblink afterward, thanks to men." Men have been vastly in control for quite some time (Some men, and some women, have been in control for a long time, but most men and women had no political power. Feminism made an arbitrary line based on gender but there are many lines that could be drawn between those with power and those without, that are much more meaningful.) (vast majority of political leaders are still men), women only relatively recently got the right to vote (men only relatively recently got the right to vote), so I dunno where you're getting this from (this? They are facts from history) . Also "thanks to men" is a really weird thing to say, you could say that about a lot of oppressors/oppressees. If I kidnapped someone and decided to let them go, you could argue "thanks to the kidnapper that kidnapped the person to begin with, that person is free, what a great person he is!", you realize what an absurd thing that is to say, right? (You just wrote a lot of dumb things that are not counters to what I wrote. Try harder.)
"AS for providing you data ... why? You've provided none" I did, I mentioned (Mentioning isn't data, so no) how college degrees and IQ scores have risen dramatically over time, do you want me to send you links? "so don't ask for any in return." Well let's be honest, that's probably because you have none (reminder, you have posted none)I told you to be interesting and you didn't rise to the challenge, just reposted your own preconceptions. Boring. I did give data, literally my first post I mentioned how Iq scores and college degrees have risen dramatically over time, did you miss that part? Again all you’ve given me is feelings and personal anecdotes for your initial claim.
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Post by ghostlymurr on Aug 24, 2023 18:00:34 GMT
Modern feminism isn't about empowering women which was always bullshit anyway. It took men thousands of years to gain political freedom, women achieved it in a relative eyeblink afterward, thanks to men. If the patriarchy were real, women wouldn't have political freedom. K, a lot to unpack here, but this especially stands out. Do you think politics, and thus political freedom, are innate, universal things beyond all human conception? Conversely, do you think every human, since the very first (itself an abstract concept, but I digress) have had a concept of politics? Or do you think "politics" itself is a human concept, likely arising to address some sense of societal structure, as a hierarchy, that has been developed (evolved, indoctrinated, etc...) over time? If it is a human inventions, which humans invented it and why? If "for thousands of years" the invention we call politics has been propagated by primarily men (not exclusively, cultures have varied), then would this not be accurately conceptualized as "patriarchy"? If the patriarchy weren't real, women would not have been excluded from, or limited within, the artifice (concept, whatever) of politics; if politics were not conceptualized, "political freedom" would be nonsense word salad. The very concept of politics exists because humans invented it; political freedom (and oppression) exist because humans invented it and conceptualized - and thus established it relating to human interaction within society - to the benefit of some at the expense of others. If this was in some facility (not needing to be absolute, but in general) to the benefit, or narrative, of men, then that could accurately be called a "patriarchy". If you assert gender (or sex) is a real dichotomy, and if you acknowledge that dichotomy has been unequally manifest within the concept of politics ("it took men thousands of years to gain political freedom" coming before the "blink of an eye" women gained it), then you acknowledge patriarchy, within a political context, is real. Logic. You are literally contradicting your own argument. That is to say if "politics" exists as a concept, it is a human invention; if this invention has historically favored men (by gaining political freedom first), who then used that concept to in some limit such freedoms (themselves arbitrary and only existing within that man-made concept) of women, that is very literally what the word "patriarchy" is used to describe. You can argue "patriarchy" is an inefficient word to describe the concept, but you can also argue "apple" is an inefficient word to describe its concwpt; neither changes the fact it is these very ideas people understand those words to *mean* (whether you personally agree with that meaning or not, others do enough for those words to have such a commonly understood meaning). Men did not gain "political freedom" from some abstract concept that humans have spent thousands of years divining; men gained political freedom (and I'd argue the concept of politics is a BS arbitrary power structure itself, and that no one - by gender lines, especially - actually has absolute political freedom within that concept); men gained political freedom via interaction within the arbitrary power structures created by men with the narrative of power belonging to men over women (see: "patriarchy"). As for the rest... "science", too, is an arbitrary (and thus limited, and limiting) concept that originated only a few centuries ago (blip in the scope of humanity) from older concepts, much as its pretty much inevitable that eventually a new concept will grow out of, to eventually replace, "science" as science becomes an archaic concept like alchemy. As for the DSM... again, itself to document conceptualized pathologies originating in the 19th and 20th centuries, and a living document based on a behaviorist (again, concept, not absolute) perspective of the underlying causes of those pathologies. The DSM has been revised multiple times and will be again. With its next revision, for example autism and ADHD, will likely be broadened; this does not mean autism and ADHD (as neurotypes) will have changed, just that the understanding of them will have broadened (that is, with each revision its acknowledged the previous understanding was incomplete). Likewise, both are themselves words to conceptualize neurotypes that aren't fully understood. Prior to being defined (within this specific context), they still existed, but were conceptualized differently (see: changelings/fae, lol) based on the limited, epistemic understanding of those observing them. It's also well documented, even within empirical research, that a clinicians own recognition of these things will vary by the clinicians own understanding, education, information (older clinicians tend to recognize them less thanyounger, as younger clinicians tend to have a more up to date/broadened understanding). I'd argue neurodivergent people understand, and are able to recognize, neurodivergence in others better than clinicians with outdated 40 year old understandings (clinicians, at least those who stay up to date on new research, progressively realize this, too, hence the DSM being continually revised... because science, as a concept, is not static but rather broadens with this little thing called research... an important part of science). To dismiss the self-experience of people the DSM tries to progressively define is counterproductive to the very concept of science, research, or the DSM itself (that is, if your and/or Maher's mentality/understanding were correct, these things likely never would've been defined, or the definitions still stuck in the understandings from 1940s eugenicists... your fundamental misunderstanding of the concept of science itself does not make for a sound argument here).
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Post by ghostlymurr on Aug 24, 2023 18:54:19 GMT
I'll add, as an afterthought (but really just a more concise summary), re: political freedom
Politics is an arbitrary, human invented system. Political freedom is the freedom to move within that system's arbitrary set of rules (rules established and enforced by [some force]). Freedom to move within a set of arbitrary rules is not freedom, it's a game. Monopoly and Chess are at least fun and don't result in mass exploitation of everyone not granted those freedoms to play the game.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Aug 24, 2023 21:28:38 GMT
Actually if look at the actual data, literally the opposite is true, people today are smarter and more educated (there are far more people with college degrees and IQ scores are dramatically higher than they were years ago). More proof that Maher is a silly, goofy man that no one should take seriously. I have no doubt that what you are saying is true but a lot of them sure seem dumb. It’s not a matter of book smarts or IQ, it’s the ability to think rationally about things.
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Post by ayatollah on Aug 24, 2023 22:53:43 GMT
Personally I think dumb people need religion to avoid becoming totally selfish and immoral animals.
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Post by SixOfTheRichest on Aug 25, 2023 7:25:45 GMT
You sound a tad triggered. Anecdotal evidence is facade and just paints a pattern, doesn't give the wider picture. Personal experience amounts for instinctual intelligence, not academic, which can become compartmentalized and theoretical and can segue back into anecdotal mode.
Your next point just proves you are triggered, because you believe in gender theory, which is just a pseudo-science of abstract nonsense. Where is the logical and objective evidence to prove gender theory being a genuine science? Where is the logic in the morons that endorse it?
That feminism is very broad, only proves how confused it is, and any idealized movement can become distorted due to changing social values and attitudes. What feminism used to represent is not the same today. Feminism is also a prime example of confirmation bias.
Conspiracy theories can at times hold some truth at the core of them. They might be distorted and it is also impossible to prove a conspiracy, otherwise it wouldn't become one in the first place. It doesn't mean they can't hold some weight. The source of many is deliberate.
Psychologists make up shit for relevance most of the time and they change their minds. They want to prove how intelligent they are over the abstract and anecdotal evidence.
"You sound a tad triggered." Yes, anti-intellectualism does tend to trigger me, you got me there. "Personal experience amounts for instinctual intelligence, not academic, which can become compartmentalized and theoretical and can segue back into anecdotal mode." Which do you think is a better way to make assesements about reality, personal anecdotes or data and and studies compiled by experts? "What feminism used to represent is not the same today." Can you give me actual examples? "Feminism is also a prime example of confirmation bias." I don't think you know what "comfirmation bias" means. You can't just take whatever idealogy and label it as "confirmation bias", otherwise you could just do that with any idalogy ("Conservatism is just confirmation bias"). Do you see why that is silly? "Conspiracy theories can at times hold some truth at the core of them. They might be distorted and it is also impossible to prove a conspiracy, otherwise it wouldn't become one in the first place. It doesn't mean they can't hold some weight. The source of many is deliberate." Just because a conspiracy theory has some truth to it doesn't mean it should be taken seriously. For instance, just because Alex Jones says 9-11 was based on a lie (which is true) doesn't mean therefore it was secretly orchestrated by the New World Order. It's fine to just go ahead and dismiss silly conspiracy theories even if that have some grain of truth. "Psychologists make up shit for relevance most of the time and they change their minds. They want to prove how intelligent they are over the abstract and anecdotal evidence." And now it's becoming apparent why you defend conspiracy theories, because that's' really the only way you can rationalize your world view. This is actually the same line of reasoning creationists use to justify their scientific illiteracy: "God hating scientists just lie to cover up the truth, they want to prove how intelligent they are over religious people". Do you see why what you said was silly? You would have to define "anti-intellectualism" based on what the poster initially commented and your response. You sounded triggered so started steamrolling. I didn't find anything anti-intellectual about what they said and it was also philosophical thinking points.
Reality is not a black and white issue. We aren't all living the same experiences and circumstances. Data as already mentioned, is anecdotal and theoretical for the most part. It doesn't paint the wider picture and the picture is not always the same. You appear to think in too many absolutes. Who are these experts based on what credentials? If they profess themselves "intelligent", look at the substance behind it. How is that intelligence utilized without egoism and pretentious pomp marring the way? Psychiatry is a perfect example.
Confirmation Bias is just another millennial buzz world. Feminism is full of bias and it is written all over its ideological title. It is full of contradictions, lies and cognitive confusion and entitlements. It is not "real", but I'd say you are of the type that thinks mind is real too.
When discussing conspiracies, one would have to look at the nuances and layers of the source of the conspiracy. If it is fabricated from government and corporate elitist agendas, then one would be unwise to just blindly follow in what is being propagated as being true. Sociopaths, narcissists and psychopaths DO NOT speak the truth. They twist it to suit their own self-serving agenda.
Psychologists can only use abstract and anecdotal data to come to their "theoretical' and "anecdotal" conclusions, which are only conclusions and not absolutes. They can be challenged by others. Misdiagnoses is common in the psychological profession and also medical profession. Symptoms are often addressed and quick fixes administered, without causes getting addressed. Psychologists are rationalizing their own thinking and fail and then end up ultimately just shoveling bullshit for their own self-importance and relevance of vocation. Is this what you do?
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Aug 26, 2023 3:52:31 GMT
Personally I think dumb people need religion to avoid becoming totally selfish and immoral animals. How do you account for all the totally selfish and immoral animals who are Christians?
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Aug 26, 2023 4:04:04 GMT
"You sound a tad triggered." Yes, anti-intellectualism does tend to trigger me, you got me there. "Personal experience amounts for instinctual intelligence, not academic, which can become compartmentalized and theoretical and can segue back into anecdotal mode." Which do you think is a better way to make assesements about reality, personal anecdotes or data and and studies compiled by experts? "What feminism used to represent is not the same today." Can you give me actual examples? "Feminism is also a prime example of confirmation bias." I don't think you know what "comfirmation bias" means. You can't just take whatever idealogy and label it as "confirmation bias", otherwise you could just do that with any idalogy ("Conservatism is just confirmation bias"). Do you see why that is silly? "Conspiracy theories can at times hold some truth at the core of them. They might be distorted and it is also impossible to prove a conspiracy, otherwise it wouldn't become one in the first place. It doesn't mean they can't hold some weight. The source of many is deliberate." Just because a conspiracy theory has some truth to it doesn't mean it should be taken seriously. For instance, just because Alex Jones says 9-11 was based on a lie (which is true) doesn't mean therefore it was secretly orchestrated by the New World Order. It's fine to just go ahead and dismiss silly conspiracy theories even if that have some grain of truth. "Psychologists make up shit for relevance most of the time and they change their minds. They want to prove how intelligent they are over the abstract and anecdotal evidence." And now it's becoming apparent why you defend conspiracy theories, because that's' really the only way you can rationalize your world view. This is actually the same line of reasoning creationists use to justify their scientific illiteracy: "God hating scientists just lie to cover up the truth, they want to prove how intelligent they are over religious people". Do you see why what you said was silly? You would have to define "anti-intellectualism" based on what the poster initially commented and your response. You sounded triggered so started steamrolling. I didn't find anything anti-intellectual about what they said and it was also philosophical thinking points. Reality is not a black and white issue. We aren't all living the same experiences and circumstances. Data as already mentioned, is anecdotal and theoretical for the most part. It doesn't paint the wider picture and the picture is not always the same. You appear to think in too many absolutes. Who are these experts based on what credentials? If they profess themselves "intelligent", look at the substance behind it. How is that intelligence utilized without egoism and pretentious pomp marring the way? Psychiatry is a perfect example.
Confirmation Bias is just another millennial buzz world. Feminism is full of bias and it is written all over its ideological title. It is full of contradictions, lies and cognitive confusion and entitlements. It is not "real", but I'd say you are of the type that thinks mind is real too. When discussing conspiracies, one would have to look at the nuances and layers of the source of the conspiracy. If it is fabricated from government and corporate elitist agendas, then one would be unwise to just blindly follow in what is being propagated as being true. Sociopaths, narcissists and psychopaths DO NOT speak the truth. They twist it to suit their own self-serving agenda. Psychologists can only use abstract and anecdotal data to come to their "theoretical' and "anecdotal" conclusions, which are only conclusions and not absolutes. They can be challenged by others. Misdiagnoses is common in the psychological profession and also medical profession. Symptoms are often addressed and quick fixes administered, without causes getting addressed. Psychologists are rationalizing their own thinking and fail and then end up ultimately just shoveling bullshit for their own self-importance and relevance of vocation. Is this what you do?
www.britannica.com/science/confirmation-bias
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Post by SixOfTheRichest on Aug 28, 2023 3:18:45 GMT
You would have to define "anti-intellectualism" based on what the poster initially commented and your response. You sounded triggered so started steamrolling. I didn't find anything anti-intellectual about what they said and it was also philosophical thinking points. Reality is not a black and white issue. We aren't all living the same experiences and circumstances. Data as already mentioned, is anecdotal and theoretical for the most part. It doesn't paint the wider picture and the picture is not always the same. You appear to think in too many absolutes. Who are these experts based on what credentials? If they profess themselves "intelligent", look at the substance behind it. How is that intelligence utilized without egoism and pretentious pomp marring the way? Psychiatry is a perfect example.
Confirmation Bias is just another millennial buzz world. Feminism is full of bias and it is written all over its ideological title. It is full of contradictions, lies and cognitive confusion and entitlements. It is not "real", but I'd say you are of the type that thinks mind is real too. When discussing conspiracies, one would have to look at the nuances and layers of the source of the conspiracy. If it is fabricated from government and corporate elitist agendas, then one would be unwise to just blindly follow in what is being propagated as being true. Sociopaths, narcissists and psychopaths DO NOT speak the truth. They twist it to suit their own self-serving agenda. Psychologists can only use abstract and anecdotal data to come to their "theoretical' and "anecdotal" conclusions, which are only conclusions and not absolutes. They can be challenged by others. Misdiagnoses is common in the psychological profession and also medical profession. Symptoms are often addressed and quick fixes administered, without causes getting addressed. Psychologists are rationalizing their own thinking and fail and then end up ultimately just shoveling bullshit for their own self-importance and relevance of vocation. Is this what you do?
www.britannica.com/science/confirmation-biasSounds a lot like you, you ridiculous tw@t!
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