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Post by Carl LaFong on Sept 14, 2023 23:19:07 GMT
Humza Yousaf will seek independence negotiations with the UK government if his party wins the most seats in Scotland at the next general election. He has put his name to a motion backing that strategy which will be voted on at the party's conference in October. It proposes making the first line of the manifesto "Vote SNP for Scotland to become an independent country". Downing Street has consistently refused to countenance a referendum or negotiations on independence. SNP Westminster leader Stephen Flynn has also signed the motion to be put to SNP members. Yousaf dismisses criticism over IndyRef spending SNP playing longer game in bid for independence The text states that if the party wins the most seats, the Scottish government will be "empowered to begin immediate negotiations with the UK government to give democratic effect to Scotland becoming an independent country". To prepare for independence, it is proposed detailed conditions of negotiations are published, including draft legal text on the transfer of powers from Westminster to Holyrood. Work would also be carried out on a draft interim constitution and on plans to rejoin the EU. The paper states that the SNP manifesto "should state on page one, line one, the following simple and powerful statement: Vote SNP for Scotland to become an independent country". The next general election is expected to be held next year. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-66812774Johnny one note wankas!
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Post by yggdrasil on Sept 15, 2023 10:48:03 GMT
Do those who vote for the SNP do it on a single issue basis? Do the independence brigade vote for them no matter how good or bad they may be on other issues?
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Post by Carl LaFong on Sept 15, 2023 11:02:34 GMT
Do those who vote for the SNP do it on a single issue basis? Do the independence brigade vote for them no matter how good or bad they may be on other issues? You’d be better asking nogbad! But I’d probably answer that second question as “Yes, well, most of them anyway”.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2023 11:09:38 GMT
Do those who vote for the SNP do it on a single issue basis? Do the independence brigade vote for them no matter how good or bad they may be on other issues? Not sure about Scotland, but when it comes to NI, that seems to be the main motivation for Sinn Fein voters - they're seen as the best vehicle for a united Ireland regardless of what one might think of their other policies. Though as someone who has occasionally voted SF, it's more their social and economic policies that I like rather than their stance on the national question where I'm somewhat on the fence
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Post by mowlick on Sept 15, 2023 11:29:36 GMT
Do those who vote for the SNP do it on a single issue basis? Do the independence brigade vote for them no matter how good or bad they may be on other issues? I did.
It has been over 20 years ago, but I can still recall a chap turning up on my door step and spitting tacks when he heard my English accent. Plus, it was freezing cold and all he had to wear was one of those tartan frocks that must have frozen his wedding tackle to the size of two grape pips. But there and then, I thought that I would vote for his party (the SNP ) because he was such a sad bastard.
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Post by yggdrasil on Sept 15, 2023 11:36:45 GMT
Do those who vote for the SNP do it on a single issue basis? Do the independence brigade vote for them no matter how good or bad they may be on other issues? I did.
It has been over 20 years ago, but I can still recall a chap turning up on my door step and spitting tacks when he heard my English accent. Plus, it was freezing cold and all he had to wear was one of those tartan frocks that must have frozen his wedding tackle to the size of two grape pips. But there and then, I thought that I would vote for his party (the SNP ) because he was such a sad bastard.
You lived in Scotland too? Certainly get around.
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Post by mowlick on Sept 15, 2023 11:48:25 GMT
I did.
It has been over 20 years ago, but I can still recall a chap turning up on my door step and spitting tacks when he heard my English accent. Plus, it was freezing cold and all he had to wear was one of those tartan frocks that must have frozen his wedding tackle to the size of two grape pips. But there and then, I thought that I would vote for his party (the SNP ) because he was such a sad bastard.
You lived in Scotland too? Certainly get around. I had a property in Scotland and in some half arsed manner ended up on the electoral roll. Never try to deal with Edinburgh council. Try as I might I was stuck with the buggers, so for a while I had two votes, one in Scotland and one in civilisation.
Not a bad bunch the Scots, but you know that bit in the south where folk say, well, he is a silly looking bastard but someone has to drive the train? They ain't like that in Scotland and take their politics a lot more seriously.
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Post by notoriousnobbi on Sept 15, 2023 12:19:46 GMT
Not a bad bunch the Scots, but you know that bit in the south where folk say, well, he is a silly looking bastard but someone has to drive the train? They ain't like that in Scotland and take their politics a lot more seriously. I don't get it. I thought "someone has to drive the train" and "taking politics more seriously" would be the same?
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Post by Nogbad on Sept 15, 2023 13:48:07 GMT
Do those who vote for the SNP do it on a single issue basis? Do the independence brigade vote for them no matter how good or bad they may be on other issues? No doubt there are exceptions, but no and no. I even know people who vote SNP despite being anti-independence. I know English folk who vote for them only because they're in favour of independence.
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Post by Carl LaFong on Sept 15, 2023 14:33:49 GMT
Do those who vote for the SNP do it on a single issue basis? Do the independence brigade vote for them no matter how good or bad they may be on other issues? No doubt there are exceptions, but no and no. I even know people who vote SNP despite being anti-independence. I know English folk who vote for them only because they're in favour of independence.They do that because they hate us!
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Post by Nogbad on Sept 15, 2023 14:38:25 GMT
No doubt there are exceptions, but no and no. I even know people who vote SNP despite being anti-independence. I know English folk who vote for them only because they're in favour of independence.They do that because they hate us! A good proportion have moved here precisely so they can help make it happen. If they skedaddle back to freedom-loving Burnleh or wherever when it actually happens you may have a point. But they won't.
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Post by yggdrasil on Sept 15, 2023 14:41:52 GMT
Unless the price of North sea gas remains very high then surely the economic argument for an Independent Scotland collapses, and should Independence be based on a limited revenue flow and a non green one at that?
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Post by Nogbad on Sept 15, 2023 14:55:07 GMT
Unless the price of North sea gas remains very high then surely the economic argument for an Independent Scotland collapses, and should Independence be based on a limited revenue flow and a non green one at that? No it doesn't. The oil is running out, and we can be self-sufficient in renewable energy by 2030 or thereabouts. Furthermore, given that the UK(RIP) government will attempt to steal our remaining oil anyway (again), I advocate giving it to the fuckers. For a suitably juicy quid pro quo, naturally.
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Post by mowlick on Sept 15, 2023 14:58:47 GMT
Unless the price of North sea gas remains very high then surely the economic argument for an Independent Scotland collapses, and should Independence be based on a limited revenue flow and a non green one at that? Could be, but the anecdotal evidence (ie a chat I had with a couple of blokes in a Easter Road pub) suggests that Scottish independence is like Brexit. A lot of Scots don't expect the economy to improve, they just want the cock ups made at Holyrood rather than Westminster.
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Post by Carl LaFong on Sept 15, 2023 15:26:26 GMT
Unless the price of North sea gas remains very high then surely the economic argument for an Independent Scotland collapses, and should Independence be based on a limited revenue flow and a non green one at that? Could be, but the anecdotal evidence (ie a chat I had with a couple of blokes in a Easter Road pub) suggests that Scottish independence is like Brexit. A lot of Scots don't expect the economy to improve, they just want the cock ups made at Holyrood rather than Westminster. Which pub? I’ve probably been in it.
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