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Post by politicidal1 on Nov 5, 2023 18:57:29 GMT
A group of Michigan voters sued Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson in September, contending the former president should be disqualified from having his name on primary and general election ballots under the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. TEXT: Former President Donald Trump is suing Michigan's top election official over efforts to keep him off the state’s ballot in 2024. According to a complaint filed this week, Trump is asking a state court to block Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson from leaving his name off a list of candidates who would appear on 2024 presidential ballots and to declare she does not have that authority in the first place. A spokesperson for Benson declined to comment. Trump's lawsuit also says his campaign has not received a response to a letter it sent to Benson requesting confirmation that his name would appear on her list of candidates for the Republican primary. "The Secretary’s failure to respond is creating uncertainty, which impacts how President Trump will allocate resources," Trump's lawyers wrote. "This uncertainty is compounded by the fact that Secretary Benson is an active member of the opposing major political party and has publicly weighed in with her negative views of President Trump." Legal challenges were filed in Michigan seeking to keep Trump off the state’s primary and general election ballots, citing Section 3 of the 14th Amendment. The 14th Amendment says in part that no person shall hold any office who has “engaged in insurrection or rebellion” after having taken an oath to support the Constitution. The lawsuits against Trump argue that he violated his oath in connection with the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the U.S. Capitol as part of a broader effort to overturn his election loss. Similar challenges to Trump’s eligibility as a 2024 presidential candidate have gained momentum in other states, with top election officials in Arizona, Minnesota, New Hampshire and others weighing concerns like the ones raised in Michigan as they prepare state ballots for next year’s Republican presidential primaries. On Monday, a state court in Denver began hearing arguments stemming from a lawsuit filed on behalf of six voters seeking to bar Trump from Colorado’s 2024 ballot, citing the Capitol riot. Trump has dismissed efforts to remove his name from ballots, calling them “nonsense" and “election interference.” www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-files-lawsuit-block-efforts-keeping-michigan-ballot-rcna123066 |
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Post by Lux on Nov 5, 2023 19:10:59 GMT
Yeah you can't be stopping people voting for who they want or denying them the choice to say no it sounds like something officials would do in Russia or third world countries.
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Post by poutinep on Nov 5, 2023 19:16:55 GMT
Yeah you can't be stopping people voting for who they want or denying them the choice to say no it sounds like something officials would do in Russia or third world countries. The 14th Amendment of the United States Constitution says no one who has engaged in insurrection may hold office. It's not about citizens voting for whom they want, it's about eligibility for the office. Just like how a 25 year old can't be POTUS, regardless of who the people choose to vote for.
Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
Letting a traitor like trump become POTUS is something Russia or a third world country would do.
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Post by dk56 on Nov 5, 2023 19:54:31 GMT
Yeah you can't be stopping people voting for who they want or denying them the choice to say no it sounds like something officials would do in Russia or third world countries. The 14th Amendment of the United States Constitution says no one who has engaged in insurrection may hold office. It's not about citizens voting for whom they want, it's about eligibility for the office. Just like how a 25 year old can't be POTUS, regardless of who the people choose to vote for.
Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
Letting a traitor like trump become POTUS is something Russia or a third world country would do.
You’re like one of those Reddit bots that pastes sentences of text with code words. Dems really want that civil war? Doubt it. |
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Post by merh on Nov 5, 2023 20:02:34 GMT
The 14th Amendment of the United States Constitution says no one who has engaged in insurrection may hold office. It's not about citizens voting for whom they want, it's about eligibility for the office. Just like how a 25 year old can't be POTUS, regardless of who the people choose to vote for.
Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
Letting a traitor like trump become POTUS is something Russia or a third world country would do.
You’re like one of those Reddit bots that pastes sentences of text with code words. Dems really want that civil war? Doubt it. It's not going to be a civil war. We have had endless wars in this country. Billy the Kid was in the Lincoln County War. Dozens of Native American wars There were a couple of Mormon Wars. We can't vote for people who are under 35. We can't vote for people (like Schwarzenegger) not born here. Can't vote for someone who has held the office twice. So there are limits already |
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Post by Fetzer Zinfandel ♀︎ on Nov 5, 2023 20:02:46 GMT
It's ridiculous that fucking traitor is even being considered.
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Post by poutinep on Nov 5, 2023 20:15:22 GMT
The 14th Amendment of the United States Constitution says no one who has engaged in insurrection may hold office. It's not about citizens voting for whom they want, it's about eligibility for the office. Just like how a 25 year old can't be POTUS, regardless of who the people choose to vote for.
Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
Letting a traitor like trump become POTUS is something Russia or a third world country would do.
You’re like one of those Reddit bots that pastes sentences of text with code words. Dems really want that civil war? Doubt it. Why should a civil war be the result of trump being held accountable for his criminal activities? |
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Post by jackspicer on Nov 5, 2023 20:29:43 GMT
"The 14th Amendment says in part that no person shall hold any office who has “engaged in insurrection or rebellion” after having taken an oath to support the Constitution."
I guess it's fortunate that he never engaged in insurrection or rebellion. Repeating the lie that he did doesn't make it true.
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Post by cts1 on Nov 5, 2023 21:16:24 GMT
Until a conviction, any effort to keep DJT off the ballot this is untimely.
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Post by shadrack on Nov 5, 2023 22:05:19 GMT
Until a conviction, any effort to keep DJT off the ballot this is untimely. Not really, no.
The constitution doesn't specify who determines whether someone has committed insurrection or on what basis. In particular, it says nothing about being convicted of it in a court of law.
We do know it came about in the aftermath of the Civil War, and was aimed at preventing former Confederates from reclaiming government positions. Few if any of them were even tried for insurrection, much less convicted, so we can reasonably infer the framers of the amendment did not intend that to be a requirement for the provision to apply.
There are many counter arguments to be made, and that's fine, but that's missing the point.
The constitution doesn't say one way or the other.
We need the SC to decide the matter, and this is one of the ways you make that happen.
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Post by cts1 on Nov 6, 2023 1:21:36 GMT
Until a conviction, any effort to keep DJT off the ballot this is untimely. Not really, no.
The constitution doesn't specify who determines whether someone has committed insurrection or on what basis. In particular, it says nothing about being convicted of it in a court of law.
We do know it came about in the aftermath of the Civil War, and was aimed at preventing former Confederates from reclaiming government positions. Few if any of them were even tried for insurrection, much less convicted, so we can reasonably infer the framers of the amendment did not intend that to be a requirement for the provision to apply.
There are many counter arguments to be made, and that's fine, but that's missing the point.
The constitution doesn't say one way or the other.
We need the SC to decide the matter, and this is one of the ways you make that happen.
You are not wrong on the facts you present, but the “appearance of fairness” angle makes it better to wait until post conviction, if it happens. |
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Post by pathfinder on Nov 6, 2023 3:49:38 GMT
Democrats don't believe in the democracy that they claim to champion. You people don't realize that by your actions that you are taking that mask off that you wear. And revealing your real face. It ain't democratic. Tyrants and tyranny is their face.
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Post by jeffersoncody on Nov 6, 2023 13:18:49 GMT
 politicidal1, Lux, poutinep, dk56, merh, Fetzer Zinfandel ♀︎, jackspicer, cts1, shadrack, Isapop, pathfinder, |
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Post by Fetzer Zinfandel ♀︎ on Nov 6, 2023 13:19:37 GMT
politicidal1 , Lux , poutinep , dk56 , merh , Fetzer Zinfandel ♀︎ , jackspicer , cts1 , shadrack , Isapop , pathfinder , No surprise. He can't NOT lie. |
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Post by jeffersoncody on Nov 6, 2023 13:21:57 GMT
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