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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2023 23:01:51 GMT
You haven't seen the years of me defending myself for being called a self-loathing Jew, or being threatened with being reported. I even asked the IMDb help board if people could report me for posting stuff about Israel because I didn't think I did anything wrong, and I was right. They were just trying to scare me because that's what fascists do.Why were you called "a self loathing Jew" cat? Just for the record, when I said "I sometimes worry that you are Jew hater" it was meant in jest; I hope you were able to realize that. I don't agree with you one-bit on the Israel Palestinian war, your holier than though act pisses me off at a times, and I certainly don't see you as siding with the good guys, but, I definitely can't find it in my heart to hate you; LOL misguided as you be. Was this all on the old, original, now long gone * IMDB message boards - where there was no human moderation, but mass reporting (usually with the help of sock accounts) could get you banned or have posting limits imposed? Or are you talking about JC's board? * www.imdb.com/?ref_=nv_home Did you really mean that in jest? If you did, I'm profoundly sorry for the last few days. No, I did not realize it was in jest, and I've been called a self-loathing Jew because I'm Jewish so calling me antisemitic doesn't work the same way. As far as I'm concerned, it's just a scripted response. Something people are coached to think. If antisemitic doesn't work, hit em with the self-loathing Jew card. As someone with only one Jewish parent (the one that counts according to Jewish tradition: the mother) I don't qualify as Jewish in some orthodox circles. I grew up with the lines between religion and race very blurred, but the heritage is in there, so other Jews and I recognize each other like Time Lords. We understand things only we can, especially sense of humour wise.
I've never once identified as anti-Israel because I don't want to be, but I see more of the Jewish experience in modern-day Palestine than I do in Israel, and it worries me. It worries me that people are going to hate us even more.
A lot of it was on the old IMDb. V2 was much better. It was smaller and seemed a lot less taken for granted, particularly by the IMDb diaspora. The Admin was also a presence that interacted with people. I never saw an admin in all my life on IMDb, let alone talked to one. Most of the time on IMDb, people weren't individually reported. The OP was reported and the thread along with it, almost instantly sometimes. An Israel/Palestine thread lasting more than a day was a marvel.
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Post by jeffersoncody on Nov 21, 2023 23:32:05 GMT
Did you really mean that in jest? If you did, I'm profoundly sorry for the last few days. No, I did not realize it was in jest, and I've been called a self-loathing Jew because I'm Jewish so calling me antisemitic doesn't work the same way. I absolutely 100% meant that in jest cat. I have yet to meet a self loathing Jew. Israeli people live with an existential threat every day of their lives, and on October 7th the waking nightmare became a reality. BTW, I was going to point out - the other night - to you that I said it in - albeit somewhat mischievous, jest. My great grandfather was an Orthodox Jew, but the lift girl from Stuttafords he knocked up and had to marry was a devout Methodist, and you know how it works. I'm an Anglican, though. Go figure - that was my mom's love of the Anglican church passed on. When I was in high school my parents bought their first house. The previous owners, the Kommals, were Jewish and left the Mezuzah on the door. My father said it would be bad luck to take it down it so it must stay up. As soon as one of the kids from school saw it and told the others the word spread around that "A.... is a Jew" and many slurs were aimed at me - if memory serves one of the kids even took a photograph of the Mezuzah and branded it around as proof as soon as it was developed. My younger brother got it in the neck too, so we asked my father if maybe he should perhaps take it down. He said to me "my grandfather was a Jew" it's nothing to be ashamed of, I said I wasn't ashamed, just tired of getting picked on. Golda Meir was one my mother's greatest heroines.
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Post by SciFive on Nov 21, 2023 23:35:05 GMT
@cat
The very left wing newspaper called Jerusalem Post in Israel has disowned you. They say that you (and others) are still Jews but you’re not part of the Jewish people anymore because you’re not on our side in this war.
Israel is fighting for her life and we’re traumatized here by the butchering of Jews including tiny babies.
Think whatever you want but the left wing Jews are not putting up with you.
You’re out.
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Post by SciFive on Nov 21, 2023 23:37:28 GMT
“Self-loathing Jew” is never a term I use.
I think the Jews who don’t side with Israel like themselves just fine.
They can think whatever they want.
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Post by NoRevisionism on Nov 22, 2023 1:54:11 GMT
You are the virtue signaller Dracula, simply believing everything you read in the mainstream mean and taking a majority position. Do you really think standing with Israel is virtue signaling? You are deluded and choking on your own woke and self righteous indignation. I don't take positions to be popular with anybody; I take positions because I believe with all my heart and mind they are right. There is not one Jew on this board - or in my real life, who doubts my sincerity on this issue. Orlando City Cat , averagejoe2021 , kuatorises , SciFive , drystyx , geddy , Power Ranger , movielover , ambercat , The Trashcan Man , NoRevisionism , , I do not like seeing such dissension. I have grown to respect many posters here and both you and Dracula rank among the very top. It's like seeing a brother and father fight so I will respectfully not get involved. I have grown tired of fighting. This is a very contentious issue and is very saddening to see such a reckless loss of life. Dracula , and NoRevisionism slips Daddy a machete and my Bro a pair of nunchucks, gets a bowl of popcorn
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Post by NoRevisionism on Nov 22, 2023 1:56:24 GMT
“Self-loathing Jew” is never a term I use. I think the Jews who don’t side with Israel like themselves just fine. They can think whatever they want. Google "self-hating Jew" and you get pictures of Charles Schumer.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2023 16:49:35 GMT
Did you really mean that in jest? If you did, I'm profoundly sorry for the last few days. No, I did not realize it was in jest, and I've been called a self-loathing Jew because I'm Jewish so calling me antisemitic doesn't work the same way. I absolutely 100% meant that in jest cat. I have yet to meet a self loathing Jew. Israeli people live with an existential threat every day of their lives, and on October 7th the waking nightmare became a reality. BTW, I was going to point out - the other night - to you that I said it in - albeit somewhat mischievous, jest. My great grandfather was an Orthodox Jew, but the lift girl from Stuttafords he knocked up and had to marry was a devout Methodist, and you know how it works. I'm an Anglican, though. Go figure - that was my mom's love of the Anglican church passed on. When I was in high school my parents bought their first house. The previous owners, the Kommals, were Jewish and left the Mezuzah on the door. My father said it would be bad luck to take it down it so it must stay up. As soon as one of the kids from school saw it and told the others the word spread around that "A.... is a Jew" and many slurs were aimed at me - if memory serves one of the kids even took a photograph of the Mezuzah and branded it around as proof as soon as it was developed. My younger brother got it in the neck too, so we asked my father if maybe he should perhaps take it down. He said to me "my grandfather was a Jew" it's nothing to be ashamed of, I said I wasn't ashamed, just tired of getting picked on. Golda Meir was one my mother's greatest heroines. It's so weird to me how those children reacted to your Mezuzah. I'd be so curious to them explain it. If you're old enough to snap a photo and show it around, you're old enough to be asked why you did that, and what were you thinking. Good on your grandfather for standing up to it. I don't understand the behaviour at all, and I can only hope that kid outgrew it before someone cleaned his clock.
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Post by SciFive on Nov 22, 2023 17:06:37 GMT
@cat
I don't believe I've seen the accusation "self-hating Jew" here. I don't use it because I don't think that Jews who are angry at Jews in general or angry at Israel are doing it because they hate themselves.
There was a true story some decades ago in NYC about a guy who hid being Jewish and joined a neo-Nazi group to hate Jews. I think he did hate himself but he was way, way, way out there in a solitary situation. His parents were Holocaust survivors. He was just mentally ill.
He had acquired some fame due to his group's activities so a journalist investigated him and found out that he was Jewish. They met for lunch and the journalist told the guy that he knew about his real parents, etc.
The guy said that if he published a story about his being Jewish, he would kill himself.
The journalist didn't take this seriously and published the story. So the guy killed himself.
The next story was about the guy's suicide and how the Neo-Nazi group felt about having a Jew being prominent in their group until he committed suicide. Were they shocked to find out that he was Jewish?
They said they knew he was Jewish the first time they met him. He seemed to have inside information about Jews that non-Jews just wouldn't have. They found him so interesting with his background that they accepted him and never told him that they all knew he was a Jew. They actually proved (accidentally) that this particular group could actually tolerate someone having the ethnicity of being Jewish.
They made a movie loosely based on this and the Jewish guy was played by Ryan Gosling.
So when I think "self-hating Jew", it seems to me to be such an incredible extreme that the person would kill himself/herself. So I never go there with anyone I meet no matter how they feel and I don't see it for the famous ones either. I don't think the Finklestein guy who hates Israel would kill himself over it. It is an extreme that I don't touch.
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Post by jeffersoncody on Nov 22, 2023 17:48:07 GMT
I absolutely 100% meant that in jest cat. I have yet to meet a self loathing Jew. Israeli people live with an existential threat every day of their lives, and on October 7th the waking nightmare became a reality. BTW, I was going to point out - the other night - to you that I said it in - albeit somewhat mischievous, jest. My great grandfather was an Orthodox Jew, but the lift girl from Stuttafords he knocked up and had to marry was a devout Methodist, and you know how it works. I'm an Anglican, though. Go figure - that was my mom's love of the Anglican church passed on. When I was in high school my parents bought their first house. The previous owners, the Kommals, were Jewish and left the Mezuzah on the door. My father said it would be bad luck to take it down it so it must stay up. As soon as one of the kids from school saw it and told the others the word spread around that "A.... is a Jew" and many slurs were aimed at me - if memory serves one of the kids even took a photograph of the Mezuzah and branded it around as proof as soon as it was developed. My younger brother got it in the neck too, so we asked my father if maybe he should perhaps take it down. He said to me "my grandfather was a Jew" it's nothing to be ashamed of, I said I wasn't ashamed, just tired of getting picked on. Golda Meir was one my mother's greatest heroines. It's so weird to me how those children reacted to your Mezuzah. I'd be so curious to them explain it. If you're old enough to snap a photo and show it around, you're old enough to be asked why you did that, and what were you thinking. Good on your grandfather for standing up to it. I don't understand the behaviour at all, and I can only hope that kid outgrew it before someone cleaned his clock. There was plenty anti-Semitism going around when I was a kid cat, but I think the top boys at that snooty, elitist school (from which I was eventually expelled) looked down their noses at anyone who was different to them. During my school days I had two gay friends. They were the only two openly gay boys at the entire school and even then they didn't exact broadcast it. The one guy, Mark, was physically powerful for his age and so mentally sharp he could cut a boy in half with a scathing, withering comment alone. He took me to his mom's dress shop - which, I kid you not, specialized in frocks for women with fuller figures. Behind the dressing rooms, he had cut a small eye hole in the womens' changing room so his straight friends could spy on them in their undies and the altogether -and Molly says I don't like fat women; their big, beautiful pale bums, their mountainous breasts and rosy nipples,and that magical furry mound filled with promise sure fueled a few teenage fantasies. Mark was more than a little weird and grew up to become quite a famous magician, but he fucked up his career over a road accident claim obsession, and now heads up professional ghost house tours in Johannesburg and PE over the holiday seasons to make a crust. I am almost tempted to mention his name so you can google him, but I won't. He was not the only guy - only the first, that tried to show a naive me straight porn - which like all porn was banned in SA at that time, in an attempt to get me to fool around with them or allow them them to give me a blow job. The other gay guy, was my beloved, late, great childhood friend Moo, who was 12, like me, when I first met him in Standard 6. He and and his mom had come to SA from Britain to escape an abusive man and in bought a big house next to the school. Moo was openly gay and hugely camp, fearless, feisty and profane even at that age. After school we used to go to his house where his unjudgmental and loving cockney mom would make us lunch.. After lunch he would go into his mom's bedroom. I would take a seat and he would plaster his face with make-up, strip off and dance around the room naked like he was a young Isadora Duncan only with his skinny dick and rather large ball sack flapping wildly around. Then he would put on his mothers clothes and camp it up in them, sans underwear. When he took off the clothes and put his normal clothes back on he usually had a little stiffie, but I just pretended not to notice and he never mentioned it; he knew I was straight. Moo was an unfettered, unfiltered, rude, vulgar and beautiful delight with a fierce lust for life, all he ever wanted to be was a queen. He was my friend and I loved him, he was so brave and he didn't give a fuck what people thought of him. I lost track of Moo when I went into the army, but we did meet up again a few years later, by which time his love affair with drugs had begun. Moo died of an overdose in a UK squat a few years after that. He burned so brightly as a child, but my God he burnt out quickly and died far too young; although he was old beyond his years. South Africa in the sixties and seventies was a truly strange place with a repressive, harsh racist government but there was a lot of shaking going underneath the surface and I just drank it all in. 🐈⬛ Molly 🐈⬛ (FU),
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2023 2:43:56 GMT
It's so weird to me how those children reacted to your Mezuzah. I'd be so curious to them explain it. If you're old enough to snap a photo and show it around, you're old enough to be asked why you did that, and what were you thinking. Good on your grandfather for standing up to it. I don't understand the behaviour at all, and I can only hope that kid outgrew it before someone cleaned his clock. There was plenty anti-Semitism going around when I was a kid cat, but I think the top boys at that snooty, elitist school (from which I was eventually expelled) looked down their noses at anyone who was different to them. During my school days I had two gay friends. They were the only two openly gay boys at the entire school and even then they didn't exact broadcast it. The one guy, Mark, was physically powerful for his age and so mentally sharp he could cut a boy in half with a scathing, withering comment alone. He took me to his mom's dress shop - which, I kid you not, specialized in frocks for women with fuller figures. Behind the dressing rooms, he had cut a small eye hole in the womens' changing room so his straight friends could spy on them in their undies and the altogether -and Molly says I don't like fat women; their big, beautiful pale bums, their mountainous breasts and rosy nipples,and that magical furry mound filled with promise sure fueled a few teenage fantasies. Mark was more than a little weird and grew up to become quite a famous magician, but he fucked up his career over a road accident claim obsession, and now heads up professional ghost house tours in Johannesburg and PE over the holiday seasons to make a crust. I am almost tempted to mention his name so you can google him, but I won't. He was not the only guy - only the first, that tried to show a naive me straight porn - which like all porn was banned in SA at that time, in an attempt to get me to fool around with them or allow them them to give me a blow job. The other gay guy, was my beloved, late, great childhood friend Moo, who was 12, like me, when I first met him in Standard 6. He and and his mom had come to SA from Britain to escape an abusive man and in bought a big house next to the school. Moo was openly gay and hugely camp, fearless, feisty and profane even at that age. After school we used to go to his house where his unjudgmental and loving cockney mom would make us lunch.. After lunch he would go into his mom's bedroom. I would take a seat and he would plaster his face with make-up, strip off and dance around the room naked like he was a young Isadora Duncan only with his skinny dick and rather large ball sack flapping wildly around. Then he would put on his mothers clothes and camp it up in them, sans underwear. When he took off the clothes and put his normal clothes back on he usually had a little stiffie, but I just pretended not to notice and he never mentioned it; he knew I was straight. Moo was an unfettered, unfiltered, rude, vulgar and beautiful delight with a fierce lust for life, all he ever wanted to be was a queen. He was my friend and I loved him, he was so brave and he didn't give a fuck what people thought of him. I lost track of Moo when I went into the army, but we did meet up again a few years later, by which time his love affair with drugs had begun. Moo died of an overdose in a UK squat a few years after that. He burned so brightly as a child, but my God he burnt out quickly and died far too young; although he was old beyond his years. South Africa in the sixties and seventies was a truly strange place with a repressive, harsh racist government but there was a lot of shaking going underneath the surface and I just drank it all in. 🐈⬛ Molly 🐈⬛ (FU) , That was very illuminating and nice to read.
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