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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2023 23:13:17 GMT
I have never heard that take on what "Free Palestine" means before. Like truly, never imagined it or heard it.
It might explain a lot as a missing puzzle piece because people are advocating a "free Palestine" and people are hearing something else entirely.
Oh I was talking about the “from the river to the sea” thing they do. But the "they" is protesters, right? Cause it looks to me like you're saying, or speculating, that the average Free Palestine protester is calling for the cleansing of Jews of Palestine.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2023 23:15:20 GMT
Why? Dude that's huge. Do you think that or do you just think they do?
I mean I know it's bound to confuse things as comparisons always do, but do you think Free Tibet means cleanse it of Chinese people?
I can't speak for the other poster, but Tibetans, as far as I know, never call for Genocide of the Chinese people. In contrast, the leadership of the Palestinians in Gaza DOES call for Genocide of the Jewish people. avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.aspThe Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realisation of Allah's promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet has said: The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. This wasn't about Hamas though. Just free Palestine advocates. Protesters. People taking to the streets. If you, some of you, are seeing some sort of death to Jews message where the words "Free Palestine" are then that's a serious problem.
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Post by marsatax on Dec 1, 2023 23:27:59 GMT
I can't speak for the other poster, but Tibetans, as far as I know, never call for Genocide of the Chinese people. In contrast, the leadership of the Palestinians in Gaza DOES call for Genocide of the Jewish people. avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.aspThe Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realisation of Allah's promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet has said: The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. This wasn't about Hamas though. Just free Palestine advocates. Protesters. People taking to the streets. If you, some of you, are seeing some sort of death to Jews message where the words "Free Palestine" are then that's a serious problem. The same people who chant "Free Palestine" also chant "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free." Which means, from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea, there will be one country, Palestine. And the country that is there now, Israel, will be destroyed.
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Post by Swimm on Dec 1, 2023 23:32:51 GMT
Oh I was talking about the “from the river to the sea” thing they do. But the "they" is protesters, right? Cause it looks to me like you're saying, or speculating, that the average Free Palestine protester is calling for the cleansing of Jews of Palestine.
It doesn't matter what you think..Thats what the term means...You or anyone trying to apply their own meaning to the chant doesn't make it so... You're stilling chanting for the eradication of Jews.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2023 23:35:15 GMT
This wasn't about Hamas though. Just free Palestine advocates. Protesters. People taking to the streets. If you, some of you, are seeing some sort of death to Jews message where the words "Free Palestine" are then that's a serious problem. The same people who chant "Free Palestine" also chant "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free." Which means, from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea, there will be one country, Palestine. And the country that is there now, Israel, will be destroyed. You're skipping the part about them calling for death to Jewish people. Do you believe the millions of people protesting worldwide are actually calling for Jewish people in Palestine to be killed? Don't answer unless you're going to address the killing part. No euphemisms. Is that what you think they're calling for, yes or no?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2023 23:38:33 GMT
But the "they" is protesters, right? Cause it looks to me like you're saying, or speculating, that the average Free Palestine protester is calling for the cleansing of Jews of Palestine.
It doesn't matter what you think..Thats what the term means...You or anyone trying to apply their own meaning to the chant doesn't make it so... You're stilling chanting for the eradication of Jews. I think Free Palestine means free Palestine. File it under sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
Anyone who's seeing some sort of death to Jewish people there is the one applying their own meaning. Like I said, that meaning that I've never heard before now... well, I just gave away the ending. That meaning that I've never heard before now is something I've never heard before now. It really makes me question your guy's judgement because it seems like you're fearmongering yourselves.
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Post by marsatax on Dec 1, 2023 23:48:54 GMT
The same people who chant "Free Palestine" also chant "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free." Which means, from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea, there will be one country, Palestine. And the country that is there now, Israel, will be destroyed. You're skipping the part about them calling for death to Jewish people. Do you believe the millions of people protesting worldwide are actually calling for Jewish people in Palestine to be killed? Don't answer unless you're going to address the killing part. No euphemisms. Is that what you think they're calling for, yes or no? Do you believe the millions of people protesting worldwide are actually calling for Jewish people in Palestine to be killed?
I think SOME of them are definitely calling for that. It's why they approved of October 7, even though the vast majority of the victims were not military, but Israeli civilians, including the elderly, children, and babies. I also think some of them would prefer the Jews to be expelled rather than killed. Then there are some who believe in the "one-state solution", in which Jews and Arabs would supposedly live in peace with each other. We can get an inkling of what would be in store for the Jews under such a setup by considering what Palestinian Arab culture is like: based on the atrocities committed on October 7, plus the celebrations of them by Palestinians who were not directly involved (the way many Palestinians celebrated on September 11, 2001). Overall, I think the vast majority of the demonstrators want Israel to be destroyed, and that is something the Israelis can never accept.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2023 0:08:58 GMT
You're skipping the part about them calling for death to Jewish people. Do you believe the millions of people protesting worldwide are actually calling for Jewish people in Palestine to be killed? Don't answer unless you're going to address the killing part. No euphemisms. Is that what you think they're calling for, yes or no? Do you believe the millions of people protesting worldwide are actually calling for Jewish people in Palestine to be killed?
I think SOME of them are definitely calling for that. It's why they approved of October 7, even though the vast majority of the victims were not military, but Israeli civilians, including the elderly, children, and babies. I also think some of them would prefer the Jews to be expelled rather than killed. Then there are some who believe in the "one-state solution", in which Jews and Arabs would supposedly live in peace with each other. We can get an inkling of what would be in store for the Jews under such a setup by considering what Palestinian Arab culture is like: based on the atrocities committed on October 7, plus the celebrations of them by Palestinians who were not directly involved (the way many Palestinians celebrated on September 11, 2001). Overall, I think the vast majority of the demonstrators want Israel to be destroyed, and that is something the Israelis can never accept. Okay, well I can't not appreciate the honesty, even though SOME could mean anything. There are millions of protesters worldwide. Some of millions could be a tons. It's a bit of a cheat to say "some". Some could also be a few.
But for the record, no side holds a monopoly on the well-behaved people. You speak of what might be in store for Jewish people based on Palestinian culture, but you always leave out the racist, right-wing isolationist elements in Israel. The settler violence and religious fundamentalism. A one-state solution starting tomorrow would never work because too much vengeance is in the air. You can't air bomb the shit out of people for decades and say they have a culture of us. It's racist, essentially. It's refusing to take or accept responsibility for creating the conditions of their situation and blaming it on their culture instead. It's totally racist. That's an issue Israel's going to have to reconcile with too.
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Post by ofunknownorigins on Dec 2, 2023 0:10:32 GMT
Oh I was talking about the “from the river to the sea” thing they do. But the "they" is protesters, right? Cause it looks to me like you're saying, or speculating, that the average Free Palestine protester is calling for the cleansing of Jews of Palestine.
I don’t think the average Free Palestine protestor knows that in the West. The Muslim ones do, I would imagine, since they’re all obsessed with Jews being there, but not a 19 year old college girl who isn’t particularly religious but just goes along with whatever her liberal friends tell her..
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2023 0:56:35 GMT
But the "they" is protesters, right? Cause it looks to me like you're saying, or speculating, that the average Free Palestine protester is calling for the cleansing of Jews of Palestine.
I don’t think the average Free Palestine protestor knows that in the West. The Muslim ones do, I would imagine, since they’re all obsessed with Jews being there, but not a 19 year old college girl who isn’t particularly religious but just goes along with whatever her liberal friends tell her.. Yeah. I think it's probably more regional too. Maybe if you emigrated from near there. It looks to me like most people are just protesting the violence.
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Post by marsatax on Dec 2, 2023 0:57:03 GMT
Do you believe the millions of people protesting worldwide are actually calling for Jewish people in Palestine to be killed?
I think SOME of them are definitely calling for that. It's why they approved of October 7, even though the vast majority of the victims were not military, but Israeli civilians, including the elderly, children, and babies. I also think some of them would prefer the Jews to be expelled rather than killed. Then there are some who believe in the "one-state solution", in which Jews and Arabs would supposedly live in peace with each other. We can get an inkling of what would be in store for the Jews under such a setup by considering what Palestinian Arab culture is like: based on the atrocities committed on October 7, plus the celebrations of them by Palestinians who were not directly involved (the way many Palestinians celebrated on September 11, 2001). Overall, I think the vast majority of the demonstrators want Israel to be destroyed, and that is something the Israelis can never accept. Okay, well I can't not appreciate the honesty, even though SOME could mean anything. There are millions of protesters worldwide. Some of millions could be a tons. It's a bit of a cheat to say "some". Some could also be a few.
But for the record, no side holds a monopoly on the well-behaved people. You speak of what might be in store for Jewish people based on Palestinian culture, but you always leave out the racist, right-wing isolationist elements in Israel. The settler violence and religious fundamentalism. A one-state solution starting tomorrow would never work because too much vengeance is in the air. You can't air bomb the shit out of people for decades and say they have a culture of us. It's racist, essentially. It's refusing to take or accept responsibility for creating the conditions of their situation and blaming it on their culture instead. It's totally racist. That's an issue Israel's going to have to reconcile with too.
But for the record, no side holds a monopoly on the well-behaved people.
That could be said about every country in the world, including America, and every people in the world. But, sometimes, it is clear that one side is basically good and another side is basically evil. This was true about the Western Allies in WWII versus the Nazis, the Fascists, and the Japanese militarists. It was true about the West versus the Soviet Union during the Cold War. It was, and is, true about South Korea versus North Korea. It was true about the West and Kuwait versus Saddam Hussein's Iraq in the Gulf War. It is true about Ukraine versus Putin's Russia. And it is true about Israel versus Hamas. On October 7, Hamas openly and blatantly violated pretty much every rule regarding moral behavior. It murdered more than a thousand innocent civilians, including the elderly, children, and babies. It engaged in torture of the living, and mutilation of the dead. It engaged in mass rapes of women. It murdered children in front of their parents, and vice versa. And it took hundreds of innocent people as hostages. Because of this, Hamas must be destroyed. Not only for the benefit of Israel and its future safety, but also to prevent this kind of blatantly evil behavior from become more popular and more common, not only in the Middle East, but also in the West. What America had to do to Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda, Israel must do to Hamas, and for the same reason. You speak of what might be in store for Jewish people based on Palestinian culture, but you always leave out the racist, right-wing isolationist elements in Israel. The settler violence and religious fundamentalism.
I condemn the settler attacks against Palestinians, and I think Israel should take them more seriously and put a stop to them. Israel should be pressured to do so. I also condemn extremist Israeli politicians like Smotrich and Ben-Gvir. But that does not change the fact that Israel must destroy Hamas. You can't air bomb the shit out of people for decades and say they have a culture of us. It's racist, essentially.It is not racist to compare cultures and to make value judgements about them. It is not racist to say: A culture in which slavery is widespread is not as good as one in which it has been abolished. A culture that believes in witchcraft and sorcery is not as good as one in which such beliefs are rejected as superstitions. A culture that believes in the divine right of kings is not as good as one that champions the rights of individuals. A culture in which women are treated as little more than property is not as good as one in which women have rights and the vote. A culture that features honor killings, endless jihad, and rejection of the law of cause and effect is not as good as one that lacks these elements. A culture that outlaws private property and features totalitarian dictatorship is not as good as one in which property is protected by law and rights are sacrosanct. It's refusing to take or accept responsibility for creating the conditions of their situation and blaming it on their culture instead.
Except, the Palestinians launched pogroms (murderous attacks on Jews) before they even called themselves Palestinians, and before Israel even declared independence. See for example: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacreThe Hebron massacre was the killing of sixty-seven or sixty-nine Jews on 24 August 1929 in Hebron, then part of Mandatory Palestine, by Arabs incited to violence by rumors that Jews were planning to seize control of the Temple Mount in Jerusalem.
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Post by Swimm on Dec 2, 2023 14:09:38 GMT
It doesn't matter what you think..Thats what the term means...You or anyone trying to apply their own meaning to the chant doesn't make it so... You're stilling chanting for the eradication of Jews. I think Free Palestine means free Palestine. File it under sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
Anyone who's seeing some sort of death to Jewish people there is the one applying their own meaning. Like I said, that meaning that I've never heard before now... well, I just gave away the ending. That meaning that I've never heard before now is something I've never heard before now. It really makes me question your guy's judgement because it seems like you're fearmongering yourselves.
First off. You don't know what a "free palestine" actually is. Your ignorance or others is not my problem.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2023 17:04:30 GMT
I think Free Palestine means free Palestine. File it under sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
Anyone who's seeing some sort of death to Jewish people there is the one applying their own meaning. Like I said, that meaning that I've never heard before now... well, I just gave away the ending. That meaning that I've never heard before now is something I've never heard before now. It really makes me question your guy's judgement because it seems like you're fearmongering yourselves.
First off. You don't know what a "free palestine" actually is. Your ignorance or others is not my problem. lol. ^non-message, practically.
My point is valid. If you guys honestly think the protesters you see on TV, the ones holding demonstrations in city halls and campuses across the world, are calling for the deaths of Jews then you're fearmongering yourselves. You are. You're seeing something that isn't there. You're making it up, playing make-belief.
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Post by jimmywynn on Dec 2, 2023 17:09:06 GMT
This is the state that the Arabs refused in 1937:
Where would Bethlehem be on that map?
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Post by SciFive on Dec 2, 2023 17:12:10 GMT
This is the state that the Arabs refused in 1937:
Where would Bethlehem be on that map? In the Arab state. It is just south and east of Jerusalem. It is Beit Lechem. House of bread.
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