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Post by jimmywynn on Dec 2, 2023 17:13:47 GMT
Why? Dude that's huge. Do you think that or do you just think they do?
I mean I know it's bound to confuse things as comparisons always do, but do you think Free Tibet means cleanse it of Chinese people?
I’m just saying what many Jewish and Israeli people think. If the Left always backs every other expression that’s interpreted by a group as racist and cancels it, they should back this, too. Truthfully I don’t know if I’d ever heard the chant before. It's just a small portion of the left doing this (along with some righties). A noisy portion, yes. But just a portion.
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Post by papamihel on Dec 3, 2023 6:00:14 GMT
No. There is no "Palestine". It's a geographical area. People who campaign for "free Palestine" simply want Arabs to kill Jews. Bullshit. Then call it "free the palestinian people in the geographical area of palestine from Israel's paternalism" if you want. It's unfortunately too long for a catchy slogan.
If these people want to live autonoumous, let them.
I am a Palestinian, Jordanians are Palestinian, people living in Southern Lebanon and Southern Syria are Palestinians. Until less than 30 years ago no one ever thought of these Muslim Arabs clans as a separate ethnicity or culture. They were "Palestinian Arabs" as in Arabs who happened to live in the British Mandate area in 1948. What the hell do you think HAMAS is? A bunch of terror cells? That's not how a militant theocracy works. In 2007 when they took Gaza they slaughtered every member of every clan which was historically associated with FATAH and pretty much everyone who wasn't loyal either to them or to one of their system jihadi orgs in Gaza. There is no one there who is not connected. And most rapes and torture was perpetrated by "regular" Gazans. Having said that at no point in human history there was an army who tried to minimize non-combatant casualties.
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Post by papamihel on Dec 3, 2023 6:06:43 GMT
No. There is no "Palestine". It's a geographical area.People who campaign for "free Palestine" simply want Arabs to kill Jews. How does that work. If it's a geographical area then doesn't that mean there is a Palestine? Do you live in Vinland? Do the French live in Gaul? Do the Brits live in Thule? "Palestinians" are not a nationality. Not an ethnicity. Not even a culture unless you count Jew-hatred as a pretty much all of a culture.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2023 17:58:24 GMT
How does that work. If it's a geographical area then doesn't that mean there is a Palestine? Do you live in Vinland? Do the French live in Gaul? Do the Brits live in Thule? "Palestinians" are not a nationality. Not an ethnicity. Not even a culture unless you count Jew-hatred as a pretty much all of a culture. I think the Palestinians live in Palestine though. If they're not a nationality then why are there so many of them?
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Post by winterssuicide on Dec 3, 2023 19:50:46 GMT
Do you live in Vinland? Do the French live in Gaul? Do the Brits live in Thule? "Palestinians" are not a nationality. Not an ethnicity. Not even a culture unless you count Jew-hatred as a pretty much all of a culture. I think the Palestinians live in Palestine though. If they're not a nationality then why are there so many of them? The word Palestine was given to the Holy Land by the Romans to punish the Jews for their uprisings. The word derives its origin from Phillistia, which was the homeland of the Jews' greatest rival. The name itself was intended to be a mockery. Through the years, the land was ruled by one empire after another, while the name designation stuck. But it remained ruled in perpetuity - meaning, it was never a "nation"- until the British gave up their recently acquired control of the territory. When they did, the only "nation" that was established was Israel. There has never been a nation of "Palestine." And there is no such thing as "Palestinian" people. There are a group of people who live in a common geographic area - and are mostly Egyptian and Jordanian - and whose "cultural" threadbare commonalities hinge on Islam and Jew hatred.
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Post by jeffersoncody on Dec 3, 2023 19:55:25 GMT
Do you live in Vinland? Do the French live in Gaul? Do the Brits live in Thule? "Palestinians" are not a nationality. Not an ethnicity. Not even a culture unless you count Jew-hatred as a pretty much all of a culture. I think the Palestinians live in Palestine though. If they're not a nationality then why are there so many of them?Because they breed like flies, popping out kids like a conveyor belt and teaching them to be little monsters who despite Jews and want to kill them and destroy Israel.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2023 20:20:26 GMT
I think the Palestinians live in Palestine though. If they're not a nationality then why are there so many of them? The word Palestine was given to the Holy Land by the Romans to punish the Jews for their uprisings. The word derives its origin from Phillistia, which was the homeland of the Jews' greatest rival. The name itself was intended to be a mockery. Through the years, the land was ruled by one empire after another, while the name designation stuck. But it remained ruled in perpetuity - meaning, it was never a "nation"- until the British gave up their recently acquired control of the territory. When they did, the only "nation" that was established was Israel. There has never been a nation of "Palestine." And there is no such thing as "Palestinian" people. There are a group of people who live in a common geographic area - and are mostly Egyptian and Jordanian - and whose "cultural" threadbare commonalities hinge on Islam and Jew hatred. Sweet madre tabbouleh Alejandro, looks who's back.
Although I still can't help but disagree. Even the media's turned a new leaf in referring to Palestinians as, well, Palestinians. That wasn't always the case. I think it's the old argument of if it's not on a map it doesn't exist. There's millions of little invisible nations whose territories aren't recognized or drawn, particularly in areas that have gone through several renaming periods. Far as I know Palestine's been recognized by most of the world.
I found this map about it.
Green recognizes the State of Palestine. Non-green doesn't. The latter are the countries where most of the discourse about it comes from, and (I think) where most of us were born and raised, or at least reside now.
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Post by winterssuicide on Dec 3, 2023 20:28:07 GMT
The word Palestine was given to the Holy Land by the Romans to punish the Jews for their uprisings. The word derives its origin from Phillistia, which was the homeland of the Jews' greatest rival. The name itself was intended to be a mockery. Through the years, the land was ruled by one empire after another, while the name designation stuck. But it remained ruled in perpetuity - meaning, it was never a "nation"- until the British gave up their recently acquired control of the territory. When they did, the only "nation" that was established was Israel. There has never been a nation of "Palestine." And there is no such thing as "Palestinian" people. There are a group of people who live in a common geographic area - and are mostly Egyptian and Jordanian - and whose "cultural" threadbare commonalities hinge on Islam and Jew hatred. Sweet madre tabbouleh Alejandro, looks who's back.
Although I still can't help but disagree. Even the media's turned a new leaf in referring to Palestinians as, well, Palestinians. That wasn't always the case. I think it's the old argument of if it's not on a map it doesn't exist. There's millions of little invisible nations whose territories aren't recognized or drawn, particularly in areas that have gone through several renaming periods. Far as I know Palestine's been recognized by most of the world.
I found this map about it.
Green recognizes the State of Palestine. Non-green doesn't. The latter are the countries where most of the discourse about it comes from, and (I think) where most of us were born and raised, or at least reside now.
But have you not noticed that the same map is factioned into Western societies and non Western societies? The recognition of Palestine by those in green is but one of many ongoing measures taken by the despots of the East to thwart democracy because they know that if freedom takes hold in their lands, they lack the qualities to retain power.
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Post by papamihel on Dec 6, 2023 4:58:20 GMT
Do you live in Vinland? Do the French live in Gaul? Do the Brits live in Thule? "Palestinians" are not a nationality. Not an ethnicity. Not even a culture unless you count Jew-hatred as a pretty much all of a culture. I think the Palestinians live in Palestine though. If they're not a nationality then why are there so many of them? First of all, there's a bit of a problem with "nations" and "nationalities" in my neck of the wood. There are about four of these. Egypt, Iran, Turkey and Israel. Everything else is just countries - mostly created by Europeans - filled with tribes, ethnic and religious minorities and, most of all, clans. And most of these people have been moving around the region until the last century or two. It's very different from most of Eurasia, extremely different from nations of the West. Every political upheaval, every economic change, every climatic shift forces\encourages some clans or clanless individuals to change their address. And I live in a place which has been a backwater since the Byzantines. People come and go. And most of the Muslim Arab clans you call "palestinians" came here after WWI.
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