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Post by SciFive on Dec 9, 2023 13:32:45 GMT
There is no defense for Hamas or any of the other Palestinian terror orgs.
No defense whatsoever.
They are nothing less than animals.
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Post by damngumby on Dec 9, 2023 15:32:15 GMT
Whenever you hear some Pal apologist bemoan Israeli “torture”, just remember that they are referring to stuff like this. Try not to laugh at them. Behold what you think is so funny.
I think it’s pretty funny that anyone would call that “torture”. It just goes to show how inflated the pro-Pal rhetoric is.
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Post by yggdrasil on Dec 9, 2023 16:08:07 GMT
I didn't realize that's what those men were accused of. The IDF said they were "suspects". If they were enemy combatants I could see it, even though I find it underwhelming, but these people haven't been charged with anything, least of all shooting vaginas. No one is defending that. I'm being accused of defending something I've never defended in my life. I know you know you've never seen that, so why are you jumping on it like it's true? More and more, those trying to defend Israel's continued human rights abuses seem to ignore the point and argue a separate point that no one was in favour of anyway. It's an odd style of debate but seems to be all they have rather than to debate and attempt to defend the OP. Very hard to know what is going on in the OP, do we have any actual facts as to the status of the men and whether they were combatants, or known terrorists or whatever?
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Post by 🥥 🌴 Molly 🥥 🌴 on Dec 9, 2023 16:12:42 GMT
All of the Israel supporters I know fall into at least one of three groups. They're loyal to Israel because of 1) their ethnicity, 2) their religion, or 3) because they fear or hate Muslims. People who do not fall into any of these categories generally believe that Israel should be held to higher ethical standards than terrorist groups, because they are our allies and they are using our weaponry, and what they do reflects back on us. We're better than this... or we should be. Exactly right!
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Post by gwyn on Dec 9, 2023 16:29:13 GMT
I didn't realize that's what those men were accused of. The IDF said they were "suspects". If they were enemy combatants I could see it, even though I find it underwhelming, but these people haven't been charged with anything, least of all shooting vaginas. No one is defending that. I'm being accused of defending something I've never defended in my life. I know you know you've never seen that, so why are you jumping on it like it's true? More and more, those trying to defend Israel's continued human rights abuses seem to ignore the point and argue a separate point that no one was in favour of anyway. It's an odd style of debate but seems to be all they have rather than to debate and attempt to defend the OP. Very hard to know what is going on in the OP, do we have any actual facts as to the status of the men and whether they were combatants, or known terrorists or whatever? Since we're on the subject, what is your position on Palestinians' -- not just Hamas -- but Palestinians' abuses of gays and women? See how I needn't add "human rights" before "abuses" because they're just flat-out abuses. Your thoughts?
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Post by ofunknownorigins on Dec 9, 2023 16:29:35 GMT
I just assumed they did that in case they had weapons or a suicide vest on them.
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Post by ofunknownorigins on Dec 9, 2023 16:31:33 GMT
It may not look the best, but it's possible it's more about ensuring that none of the prisoners have any hidden weapons. Of course, that's merely speculation on my part. And if the conflict is ongoing, then it wouldn't be unusual to see a regular influx of prisoners of war. In the Battle of Okinawa, Americans ordered Japanese soldiers surrendering (the few that did) to strip completely nude and walk to them. Thats because so many of them that would surrender in the Pacific War would be concealing a grenade or other weapon to lunge at a nearby Marine or soldier.
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Post by damngumby on Dec 9, 2023 16:47:42 GMT
All of the Israel supporters I know fall into at least one of three groups. They're loyal to Israel because of 1) their ethnicity, 2) their religion, or 3) because they fear or hate Muslims. People who do not fall into any of these categories generally believe that Israel should be held to higher ethical standards than terrorist groups, because they are our allies and they are using our weaponry, and what they do reflects back on us. We're better than this... or we should be. You’ll be happy to learn that Israel is held to a higher ethical standard, and they strive to uphold it. The problem is the delusional folks whose “ethical standard” is complete fantasy. The sort of thing a child might think is possible. … and by condemning Israel for not measuring up, they help the immoral terrorist scum … that they largely ignore.
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Post by damngumby on Dec 9, 2023 16:51:55 GMT
I just assumed they did that in case they had weapons or a suicide vest on them. A jaw dropping obvious reason. In other words, a complete shock to those who are upset by the unspeakable torture of removing your outer garments.
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Post by jeffersoncody on Dec 9, 2023 16:58:03 GMT
Do you think the Hamas terrorists treated the Israeli hostages they kidnapped on October 7th as well as the IDF is treating these prisoners? The premise of this thread is fucking bullshit and beyond the pale.
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Post by ofunknownorigins on Dec 9, 2023 16:58:23 GMT
I just assumed they did that in case they had weapons or a suicide vest on them. A jaw dropping obvious reason. In other words, a complete shock to those who are upset by the unspeakable torture of removing your outer garments. Yeah they’re not even nude. People just find things to pick on Israel about. I’m sure there will be fifty UN meetings about this and a few condemnations as well. Business as usual in the UN.
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Post by yggdrasil on Dec 9, 2023 17:02:52 GMT
More and more, those trying to defend Israel's continued human rights abuses seem to ignore the point and argue a separate point that no one was in favour of anyway. It's an odd style of debate but seems to be all they have rather than to debate and attempt to defend the OP. Very hard to know what is going on in the OP, do we have any actual facts as to the status of the men and whether they were combatants, or known terrorists or whatever? Since we're on the subject, what is your position on Palestinians' -- not just Hamas -- but Palestinians' abuses of gays and women? See how I needn't add "human rights" before "abuses" because they're just flat-out abuses. Your thoughts? I disagree with anti gay opinions whether they come from Palestinians or from American Conservatives, that doesn't mean I support the casual killing of children of either group or ignoring their Human Rights. The Human rights involved are more important BECAUSE we disagree with their backwards opinions, it's easy to support those who we agree with, much harder and important to defend those who may morally repulse us. Hope that helps.
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Post by yggdrasil on Dec 9, 2023 17:03:55 GMT
Do you think the Hamas terrorists treated the Israeli hostage they kidnapped on October 7th as well as the IDF is treating these problems? The premise of this thread is fucking bullshit and beyond the pale. Do you think that Israelis are as revolting as the worst terrorists? If not then your point is moot.
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Post by ofunknownorigins on Dec 9, 2023 17:04:37 GMT
I didn't realize that's what those men were accused of. The IDF said they were "suspects". If they were enemy combatants I could see it, even though I find it underwhelming, but these people haven't been charged with anything, least of all shooting vaginas. No one is defending that. I'm being accused of defending something I've never defended in my life. I know you know you've never seen that, so why are you jumping on it like it's true? More and more, those trying to defend Israel's continued human rights abuses seem to ignore the point and argue a separate point that no one was in favour of anyway. It's an odd style of debate but seems to be all they have rather than to debate and attempt to defend the OP. Very hard to know what is going on in the OP, do we have any actual facts as to the status of the men and whether they were combatants, or known terrorists or whatever? If that’s a human right abuse you would’ve flat out took Japan’s side in Okinawa in 1945. The Americans made surrendering Japanese soldiers come to them completely naked. Not wearing their boxers like the terrorists in the photo. Now what do you think the practical reason why they had the terrorists only wearing their boxers?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2023 17:06:24 GMT
The fact notwithstanding it's not clear among multiple photos who's a prisoner and who's merely being questioned, does this not strike you as cruel and unusual punishment? Does that look like a strip search to you? It's time to just shut up. These threads are the best. When I see "israel" in the title, I know something is going down. These semities are coming out a plenty!
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