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Post by 99999 on Dec 8, 2023 20:34:50 GMT
They are totally brainwashed and must not oppose the Koran.
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Post by Power Ranger on Dec 8, 2023 21:40:48 GMT
No. Brainwashed, yes. But not necessarily stupid.
Although I believe that brainwashing can affect one’s ability to make rational decisions regarding unrelated matters. As Richard Dawkins said ‘religion is the beginning of unreason’. It can’t be healthy to be told something illogical from such a young age. If it influences one to utilise such irrationality in regards to other questions then their religion has made them stupid.
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Post by Meseia on Dec 9, 2023 5:55:47 GMT
It's called religion.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Dec 9, 2023 9:08:39 GMT
All believers in something with 100% no evidence and total unprovable are.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Dec 9, 2023 9:11:24 GMT
No. Brainwashed, yes. But not necessarily stupid. Although I believe that brainwashing can affect one’s ability to make rational decisions regarding unrelated matters. As Richard Dawkins said ‘religion is the beginning of unreason’. It can’t be healthy to be told something illogical from such a young age. If it influences one to utilise such irrationality in regards to other questions then their religion has made them stupid. Believing in sky daddy of both Christianity and Islam is no different than believing in Santa Claus or deep state conspiracies.
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Post by SixOfTheRichest on Dec 10, 2023 12:08:06 GMT
It depends on the notion of stupid, but as far as the belief goes, yet it is and the beliefs can also be downright dangerous and oppressive. Islam is not about growth for humanity.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Dec 11, 2023 2:05:30 GMT
It depends on the notion of stupid, but as far as the belief goes, yet it is and the beliefs can also be downright dangerous and oppressive. Islam is not about growth for humanity. Neither is Christianity. That religion did not progress humans one bit, not with the centuries of murdering people if they did not believe in their version of Jesus and suppression of women and support of slavery.
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Post by SixOfTheRichest on Dec 11, 2023 2:45:04 GMT
It depends on the notion of stupid, but as far as the belief goes, yet it is and the beliefs can also be downright dangerous and oppressive. Islam is not about growth for humanity. Neither is Christianity. That religion did not progress humans one bit, not with the centuries of murdering people if they did not believe in their version of Jesus and suppression of women and support of slavery. Oh, I agree. Christianity though is something that I am more familiar with and while it is still stupid, it doesn't quite contain the toxicity that Islam pertains at its core.
Christianity has evolved into being more progressive with time, (of course there are fundies, but they are a minority overall), Islam has a majority of extremist beliefs and views. One can be a free-thinker and a Christian, which really only involves the acceptance of Christ the savior.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Dec 11, 2023 3:10:25 GMT
Neither is Christianity. That religion did not progress humans one bit, not with the centuries of murdering people if they did not believe in their version of Jesus and suppression of women and support of slavery. Oh, I agree. Christianity though is something that I am more familiar with and while it is still stupid, it doesn't quite contain the toxicity that Islam pertains at its core.
Christianity has evolved into being more progressive with time, (of course there are fundies, but they are a minority overall), Islam has a majority of extremist beliefs and views. One can be a free-thinker and a Christian, which really only involves the acceptance of Christ the savior. Excuse me. Religion is only as effective as its hierarchy makes it. Western progress toward the present era only happened once men and women of science and reason defied the dogma of the Church. It’s never really the religion that’s evil though, it’s assholes who run the religions who make it stupid and evil because they are stupid and evil. Christianity and Islam are full of stupid and evil and weak men. Religion seems to attract them.
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Post by Meseia on Dec 11, 2023 6:25:14 GMT
Christianity is bad but Islam and Judaism are worse. Some atheists suggest we might need Christianity as a bulwark against other Abrahamic religions.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Dec 11, 2023 10:17:52 GMT
Christianity is bad but Islam and Judaism are worse. Some atheists suggest we might need Christianity as a bulwark against other Abrahamic religions. All three are based old, chauvinistic tribal myths, but Christianity goes out of its way in terrorizing its believers with damnation for the least infraction.
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Post by amyghost on Dec 11, 2023 12:02:21 GMT
Neither is Christianity. That religion did not progress humans one bit, not with the centuries of murdering people if they did not believe in their version of Jesus and suppression of women and support of slavery. Oh, I agree. Christianity though is something that I am more familiar with and while it is still stupid, it doesn't quite contain the toxicity that Islam pertains at its core.
Christianity has evolved into being more progressive with time, (of course there are fundies, but they are a minority overall), Islam has a majority of extremist beliefs and views. One can be a free-thinker and a Christian, which really only involves the acceptance of Christ the savior. I'd just add to that the observation that the European Enlightenment rather forced Xtianity's hand on that evolution. A comparable cultural phenomenon hasn't yet hit the Muslim world; in fact the ancient Arabic world devolved from a highly progressive state in many respects to the repressive insanity much of it now is, due mainly to the unchecked rise of fanatic fundamentalist Islam.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Dec 11, 2023 20:47:19 GMT
Oh, I agree. Christianity though is something that I am more familiar with and while it is still stupid, it doesn't quite contain the toxicity that Islam pertains at its core.
Christianity has evolved into being more progressive with time, (of course there are fundies, but they are a minority overall), Islam has a majority of extremist beliefs and views. One can be a free-thinker and a Christian, which really only involves the acceptance of Christ the savior. I'd just add to that the observation that the European Enlightenment rather forced Xtianity's hand on that evolution. A comparable cultural phenomenon hasn't yet hit the Muslim world; in fact the ancient Arabic world devolved from a highly progressive state in many respects to the repressive insanity much of it now is, due mainly to the unchecked rise of fanatic fundamentalist Islam. Wahhabism, which preaches national jihad is a fairly recent development in Islam.
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Post by Meseia on Dec 13, 2023 6:54:44 GMT
Christianity is bad but Islam and Judaism are worse. Some atheists suggest we might need Christianity as a bulwark against other Abrahamic religions. All three are based old, chauvinistic tribal myths, but Christianity goes out of its way in terrorizing its believers with damnation for the least infraction. The devil you know. Christianity is based on peaceful teachings at least, unlike Islam and Judaism which are hateful murder religions.
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Post by scream on Dec 20, 2023 18:04:21 GMT
All three are based old, chauvinistic tribal myths, but Christianity goes out of its way in terrorizing its believers with damnation for the least infraction. The devil you know. Christianity is based on peaceful teachings at least, unlike Islam and Judaism which are hateful murder religions. Disagree. Christianity is still based on earlier Judaism, and Christians have done more than their share of hateful, murderous things. The Crusades, the Holy Inquisition, the Witch Trials, et al. The rise of Christian White Nationalism. There is no religion EVER that has preached peace and NOT committed violence in it's name.
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