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Post by clusium on Dec 20, 2023 21:29:28 GMT
The devil you know. Christianity is based on peaceful teachings at least, unlike Islam and Judaism which are hateful murder religions. Disagree. Christianity is still based on earlier Judaism, and Christians have done more than their share of hateful, murderous things. The Crusades, the Holy Inquisition, the Witch Trials, et al. The rise of Christian White Nationalism. There is no religion EVER that has preached peace and NOT committed violence in its name. True, however, even atheistic ideologies such as Communism, etc. have had their share atrocities as well. Stalin Tried To Stamp Out Religion
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Post by Meseia on Dec 22, 2023 5:58:11 GMT
The devil you know. Christianity is based on peaceful teachings at least, unlike Islam and Judaism which are hateful murder religions. Disagree. Christianity is still based on earlier Judaism, and Christians have done more than their share of hateful, murderous things. The Crusades, the Holy Inquisition, the Witch Trials, et al. The rise of Christian White Nationalism. There is no religion EVER that has preached peace and NOT committed violence in it's name. Christ taught peace. Christianity is a peaceful religion. Some political leaders in the Christian world waged war, don't confuse that with murderous ideologies. Islam and Judaism both teach that their enemies should be slaughtered without mercy.
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Post by scream on Dec 22, 2023 15:58:58 GMT
Disagree. Christianity is still based on earlier Judaism, and Christians have done more than their share of hateful, murderous things. The Crusades, the Holy Inquisition, the Witch Trials, et al. The rise of Christian White Nationalism. There is no religion EVER that has preached peace and NOT committed violence in its name. Christ taught peace. Christianity is a peaceful religion. Some political leaders in the Christian world waged war, don't confuse that with murderous ideologies. Islam and Judaism both teach that their enemies should be slaughtered without mercy. Disagree. "There is no religion EVER that has preached peace and NOT committed violence in its name." I have studied comparative religion; that is why I am an agnostic atheist and secular humanist. And have no desire to debate issues between different sects. Been there, done that, done with it.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Dec 23, 2023 9:40:52 GMT
Disagree. Christianity is still based on earlier Judaism, and Christians have done more than their share of hateful, murderous things. The Crusades, the Holy Inquisition, the Witch Trials, et al. The rise of Christian White Nationalism. There is no religion EVER that has preached peace and NOT committed violence in its name. True, however, even atheistic ideologies such as Communism, etc. have had their share atrocities as well. Stalin Tried To Stamp Out Religion All religion, not just Christianity. If Stalin had wipeout the entire Muslim population of the Soviet Union, would you feel differently about him. And he actually re-opened the churches after Lenin had closed them down.
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Post by clusium on Dec 23, 2023 15:14:00 GMT
All religion, not just Christianity. If Stalin had wipeout the entire Muslim population of the Soviet Union, would you feel differently about him. And he actually re-opened the churches after Lenin had closed them down. Of course I'd feel the same way about Stalin if he killed Muslims. We all know that Hitler tried to kill off the Jews (even Holocaust deniers know about this, or they'd have nothing to deny). Yes, Hitler was a scumbag, & so was Josef Stalin. In the Soviet Union, they used the Churches as museums.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Dec 23, 2023 15:20:11 GMT
All religion, not just Christianity. If Stalin had wipeout the entire Muslim population of the Soviet Union, would you feel differently about him. And he actually re-opened the churches after Lenin had closed them down. Of course I'd feel the same way about Stalin if he killed Muslims. We all know that Hitler tried to kill off the Jews (even Holocaust deniers know about this, or they'd have nothing to deny). Yes, Hitler was a scumbag, & so was Josef Stalin. In the Soviet Union, they used the Churches as museums. And in the United States we insist the name of a God no one can prove exists be put on our money.
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Post by scream on Dec 23, 2023 15:20:12 GMT
All religion, not just Christianity. If Stalin had wipeout the entire Muslim population of the Soviet Union, would you feel differently about him. And he actually re-opened the churches after Lenin had closed them down. Interesting, as always!
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Post by 99999 on Dec 23, 2023 22:03:04 GMT
It depends on the notion of stupid, but as far as the belief goes, yet it is and the beliefs can also be downright dangerous and oppressive. Islam is not about growth for humanity. Neither is Christianity. That religion did not progress humans one bit, not with the centuries of murdering people if they did not believe in their version of Jesus and suppression of women and support of slavery. You are an unhappy person, true?
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Post by Hnefahogg on Dec 23, 2023 22:21:39 GMT
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Post by clusium on Dec 24, 2023 0:14:27 GMT
Of course I'd feel the same way about Stalin if he killed Muslims. We all know that Hitler tried to kill off the Jews (even Holocaust deniers know about this, or they'd have nothing to deny). Yes, Hitler was a scumbag, & so was Josef Stalin. In the Soviet Union, they used the Churches as museums. And in the United States we insist the name of a God no one can prove exists be put on our money. I live in Canada.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Dec 24, 2023 4:01:22 GMT
And in the United States we insist the name of a God no one can prove exists be put on our money. I live in Canada. You don’t know what you’re missing.
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Post by Meseia on Dec 28, 2023 7:50:21 GMT
Christ taught peace. Christianity is a peaceful religion. Some political leaders in the Christian world waged war, don't confuse that with murderous ideologies. Islam and Judaism both teach that their enemies should be slaughtered without mercy. Disagree. "There is no religion EVER that has preached peace and NOT committed violence in its name." I have studied comparative religion; that is why I am an agnostic atheist and secular humanist. And have no desire to debate issues between different sects. Been there, done that, done with it.
You are anonymous on a forum, no one cares what you have studied, only what you can articulate intelligently, and saying you "disagree," and can't be bothered is a lazy response. No one is debating anything, I'm explaining that Christianity is a radical departure from the other Abrahamic religions, which are intrinsically violent.
For example, the Jewish practice of Herem, which is basically kill 'em all and let god sort them out.
Okay, show me where Christ commanded that Paul or Simon or any other apostle kill in his name? He did the exact opposite and chastised Peter for drawing a sword. He also taught to turn the other cheek. Christianity is a religion of peace, regardless of how individual members behave. Islam and Judaism are inherently violent.
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Post by scream on Dec 28, 2023 18:13:57 GMT
Disagree. "There is no religion EVER that has preached peace and NOT committed violence in its name." I have studied comparative religion; that is why I am an agnostic atheist and secular humanist. And have no desire to debate issues between different sects. Been there, done that, done with it.
You are anonymous on a forum, no one cares what you have studied, only what you can articulate intelligently, and saying you "disagree," and can't be bothered is a lazy response. No one is debating anything, I'm explaining that Christianity is a radical departure from the other Abrahamic religions, which are intrinsically violent.
For example, the Jewish practice of Herem, which is basically kill 'em all and let god sort them out.
Okay, show me where Christ commanded that Paul or Simon or any other apostle kill in his name? He did the exact opposite and chastised Peter for drawing a sword. He also taught to turn the other cheek. Christianity is a religion of peace, regardless of how individual members behave. Islam and Judaism are inherently violent.
I'm not talking about the teachings, I am talking about BEHAVIOR of so-called followers. The Crusades, the Holy Inquisition, the Witch Hunts of the Christian followers... violence and intolerance of those who are different from them, in language or religious beliefs or skin color... all adherents of religion commit violent acts against other religious adherents, it's basically human tribalism. I reject ALL religions as controlling and manipulative. I am an atheist. Christianity is no better or worse than any others, and again, I have no desire to debate. I am simply stating what conclusions I have come to, and have posted on this board for a long time. Every debate that can take place HAS taken place on here multiple times. Where have you been, new person? Or are you here with a new name having been banned under another?
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Post by Meseia on Dec 29, 2023 2:49:56 GMT
You are anonymous on a forum, no one cares what you have studied, only what you can articulate intelligently, and saying you "disagree," and can't be bothered is a lazy response. No one is debating anything, I'm explaining that Christianity is a radical departure from the other Abrahamic religions, which are intrinsically violent.
For example, the Jewish practice of Herem, which is basically kill 'em all and let god sort them out.
Okay, show me where Christ commanded that Paul or Simon or any other apostle kill in his name? He did the exact opposite and chastised Peter for drawing a sword. He also taught to turn the other cheek. Christianity is a religion of peace, regardless of how individual members behave. Islam and Judaism are inherently violent.
I'm not talking about the teachings, I am talking about BEHAVIOR of so-called followers. The Crusades, the Holy Inquisition, the Witch Hunts of the Christian followers... violence and intolerance of those who are different from them, in language or religious beliefs or skin color... all adherents of religion commit violent acts against other religious adherents, it's basically human tribalism. I reject ALL religions as controlling and manipulative. I am an atheist. Christianity is no better or worse than any others, and again, I have no desire to debate. I am simply stating what conclusions I have come to, and have posted on this board for a long time. Every debate that can take place HAS taken place on here multiple times. Where have you been, new person? Or are you here with a new name having been banned under another? I, too, am an atheist, whoop-dee-doo. I'm talking about the actual religions, not random followers or your feelings. As for who I am... who are you? You're anonymous on the internet. Your only value is the ability to hold an interesting conversation, and you seem unwilling or unable. I won't waste any more of time.
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Post by scream on Dec 29, 2023 18:50:46 GMT
I'm not talking about the teachings, I am talking about BEHAVIOR of so-called followers. The Crusades, the Holy Inquisition, the Witch Hunts of the Christian followers... violence and intolerance of those who are different from them, in language or religious beliefs or skin color... all adherents of religion commit violent acts against other religious adherents, it's basically human tribalism. I reject ALL religions as controlling and manipulative. I am an atheist. Christianity is no better or worse than any others, and again, I have no desire to debate. I am simply stating what conclusions I have come to, and have posted on this board for a long time. Every debate that can take place HAS taken place on here multiple times. Where have you been, new person? Or are you here with a new name having been banned under another? I, too, am an atheist, whoop-dee-doo. I'm talking about the actual religions, not random followers or your feelings. As for who I am... who are you? You're anonymous on the internet. Your only value is the ability to hold an interesting conversation, and you seem unwilling or unable. I won't waste any more of time.
Why bother to converse about the same thing over and over again? Of what value is that? I won't waste any more time either.
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