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Post by Prince Myshkin on Dec 31, 2023 5:24:58 GMT
From a Christian perspective, I've heard different beliefs.
So where does the consciousness or soul go immediately after death?
This kinda destroys the whole concept of ghosts, by the way.
EDIT: I'm also interested in a Jewish perspective on "afterlife".
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Post by Meseia on Dec 31, 2023 6:47:48 GMT
Modern Christianity is divided on the issue. The brand of Protestantism I grew up in taught that souls go to heaven or hell immediately at death.
I'm not well versed in Jewish beliefs but in Jesus' time Jews would have believed that you just die and cease to exist. They had a word for the "afterlife," Sheol, that translates loosely to "grave." Everyone went to Sheol unless God took you physically to Heaven. Greeks interpreted Sheol as Hades, and that's where the "modern" Christian idea comes from. In the OT, people who went to heaven were physically taken by God. People will quote the NT to prove Hell is a real place not knowing they are quoting a Greek misinterpretation of Jewish beliefs.
So the subject can get a bit messy the more you know about it.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Dec 31, 2023 11:14:15 GMT
Modern Christianity is divided on the issue. The brand of Protestantism I grew up in taught that souls go to heaven or hell immediately at death. I'm not well versed in Jewish beliefs but in Jesus' time Jews would have believed that you just die and cease to exist. They had a word for the "afterlife," Sheol, that translates loosely to "grave." Everyone went to Sheol unless God took you physically to Heaven. Greeks interpreted Sheol as Hades, and that's where the "modern" Christian idea comes from. In the OT, people who went to heaven were physically taken by God. People will quote the NT to prove Hell is a real place not knowing they are quoting a Greek misinterpretation of Jewish beliefs. So the subject can get a bit messy the more you know about it. You'd think since salvation from a guaranteed trip to an infinite amount of pain for infinity because of Adam and his rib woman's fall from grace in a magical garden is the whole point of Christianity, the good men of God could all get on the same page. |
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Post by amyghost on Dec 31, 2023 11:52:50 GMT
This is a real bite in the ass for believers who think their loved ones go to some sunshiny paradise after death. My sister, who loves to quote Revelations as fact was thrown when I pointed out to her that a key feature of the second coming is all of the dead being called forth to be judged. If they'd already gone to heaven, how was this supposed to work?
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Post by Stammerhead on Dec 31, 2023 12:00:35 GMT
This is a real bite in the ass for believers who think their loved ones go to some sunshiny paradise after death. My sister, who loves to quote Revelations as fact was thrown when I pointed out to her that a key feature of the second coming is all of the dead being called forth to be judged. If they'd already gone to heaven, how was this supposed to work? Perhaps those bound for Heaven sleep in better beds and dream about being in Heaven. |
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Dec 31, 2023 14:57:20 GMT
This is a real bite in the ass for believers who think their loved ones go to some sunshiny paradise after death. My sister, who loves to quote Revelations as fact was thrown when I pointed out to her that a key feature of the second coming is all of the dead being called forth to be judged. If they'd already gone to heaven, how was this supposed to work? The saints in Heaven cannot remember their loved ones who didn’t make it, as that would cause suffering to the Saved and suffering is impossible in Heaven. |
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Dec 31, 2023 14:58:18 GMT
This is a real bite in the ass for believers who think their loved ones go to some sunshiny paradise after death. My sister, who loves to quote Revelations as fact was thrown when I pointed out to her that a key feature of the second coming is all of the dead being called forth to be judged. If they'd already gone to heaven, how was this supposed to work? Perhaps those bound for Heaven sleep in better beds and dream about being in Heaven. Except when they dream about hell. |
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Post by amyghost on Dec 31, 2023 15:18:01 GMT
This is a real bite in the ass for believers who think their loved ones go to some sunshiny paradise after death. My sister, who loves to quote Revelations as fact was thrown when I pointed out to her that a key feature of the second coming is all of the dead being called forth to be judged. If they'd already gone to heaven, how was this supposed to work? The saints in Heaven cannot remember their loved ones who didn’t make it, as that would cause suffering to the Saved and suffering is impossible in Heaven. Damn. There's always some get out of jail free card where the Hereafter is concerned ![[laugh]](http://storage.proboards.com/6870873/images/kPFtBpkwzwpFTaSmbFWI.gif) . |
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Post by Stammerhead on Dec 31, 2023 15:34:15 GMT
Perhaps those bound for Heaven sleep in better beds and dream about being in Heaven. Except when they dream about hell. Those people are going to Hell and have to sleep on the floor. |
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Post by general313 on Dec 31, 2023 19:12:09 GMT
This is a real bite in the ass for believers who think their loved ones go to some sunshiny paradise after death. My sister, who loves to quote Revelations as fact was thrown when I pointed out to her that a key feature of the second coming is all of the dead being called forth to be judged. If they'd already gone to heaven, how was this supposed to work? Perhaps those bound for Heaven sleep in better beds and dream about being in Heaven. It might be worth upgrading to Business Class, then you can hang out in the business lounge. |
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Post by scream on Dec 31, 2023 19:37:36 GMT
Modern Christianity is divided on the issue. The brand of Protestantism I grew up in taught that souls go to heaven or hell immediately at death. I'm not well versed in Jewish beliefs but in Jesus' time Jews would have believed that you just die and cease to exist. They had a word for the "afterlife," Sheol, that translates loosely to "grave." Everyone went to Sheol unless God took you physically to Heaven. Greeks interpreted Sheol as Hades, and that's where the "modern" Christian idea comes from. In the OT, people who went to heaven were physically taken by God. People will quote the NT to prove Hell is a real place not knowing they are quoting a Greek misinterpretation of Jewish beliefs. So the subject can get a bit messy the more you know about it. You'd think since salvation from a guaranteed trip to an infinite amount of pain for infinity because of Adam and his rib woman's fall from grace in a magical garden is the whole point of Christianity, the good men of God could all get on the same page. Yeah, one would think that. Then there is the conundrum of the Crucifixion, when Jesus tells the prisoner on the cross next to him, that "today thou shalt be with me in Paradise". But Jesus did other stuff for the time before he was resurrected from the dead. How does that work? Inconsistencies... religion's Achilles tendon. And the final nail? It's all speculative. |
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Dec 31, 2023 19:45:03 GMT
You'd think since salvation from a guaranteed trip to an infinite amount of pain for infinity because of Adam and his rib woman's fall from grace in a magical garden is the whole point of Christianity, the good men of God could all get on the same page. Yeah, one would think that. Then there is the conundrum of the Crucifixion, when Jesus tells the prisoner on the cross next to him, that "today thou shalt be with me in Paradise". But Jesus did other stuff for the time before he was resurrected from the dead. How does that work? Inconsistencies... religion's Achilles tendon. And the final nail? It's all speculative. Matthew 27 51 At that moment the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth quaked and the rocks were split. 52 The tombs broke open, and the bodies of many saints who had fallen asleep were raised. 53After Jesus’ resurrection, when they had come out of the tombs, they entered the holy city and appeared to many people. 54 When the centurion and those with him who were guarding Jesus saw the earthquake and all that had happened, they were terrified and said, “Truly this was the Son of God.” 55 And many women were there, watching from a distance. They had followed Jesus from Galilee to minister to Him. They never show this scene in the Jesus movies. |
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Post by scream on Dec 31, 2023 20:17:38 GMT
Yeah, one would think that. Then there is the conundrum of the Crucifixion, when Jesus tells the prisoner on the cross next to him, that "today thou shalt be with me in Paradise". But Jesus did other stuff for the time before he was resurrected from the dead. How does that work? Inconsistencies... religion's Achilles tendon. And the final nail? It's all speculative. Matthew 27 51 At that moment the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth quaked and the rocks were split. 52 The tombs broke open, and the bodies of many saints who had fallen asleep were raised. 53After Jesus’ resurrection, when they had come out of the tombs, they entered the holy city and appeared to many people. 54 When the centurion and those with him who were guarding Jesus saw the earthquake and all that had happened, they were terrified and said, “Truly this was the Son of God.” 55 And many women were there, watching from a distance. They had followed Jesus from Galilee to minister to Him. They never show this scene in the Jesus movies. Huh, I wonder why? ![[winkgrin]](http://storage.proboards.com/6870873/images/bA0paTTaBZRRrgIXtwmI.gif) |
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Post by clusium on Dec 31, 2023 21:33:38 GMT
From a Christian perspective, I've heard different beliefs.
So where does the consciousness or soul go immediately after death?
This kinda destroys the whole concept of ghosts, by the way.
EDIT: I'm also interested in a Jewish perspective on "afterlife".
Or better still, how about the Confucianist perspective on the "afterlife." |
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Post by Prince Myshkin on Dec 31, 2023 21:44:10 GMT
From a Christian perspective, I've heard different beliefs.
So where does the consciousness or soul go immediately after death?
This kinda destroys the whole concept of ghosts, by the way.
EDIT: I'm also interested in a Jewish perspective on "afterlife".
Or better still, how about the Confucianist perspective on the "afterlife." This thread is about the Judeo-Christian tradition though. Confucian may be interesting, but I was raised Christian, and I know the popular belief that we become ghosts, or that we go straight to heaven or hell, is not really backed up scripture. |
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