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Post by ant-mac on Jan 4, 2024 8:25:05 GMT
I'm quite fine with my current belief system, thank you. The only person who is attempting to cause distortions or upsets is you. And I believe it is only to further your goal of seeking attention. The irony of attention seeking is lost on you, hence you keep replying with strawmans and segues. I started this tread because of you believing animals have hope…  No, simply attempting to give you an appreciation of the broader picture... But apparently it was wasted on you. |
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Post by SixOfTheRichest on Jan 4, 2024 8:26:49 GMT
The irony of attention seeking is lost on you, hence you keep replying with strawmans and segues. I started this tread because of you believing animals have hope… No, simply attempting to give you an appreciation of the broader picture... But apparently it was wasted on you. How can someone like yourself, with a fixed and narrow mindset, broaden others horizons? |
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Post by ant-mac on Jan 4, 2024 8:28:15 GMT
No, simply attempting to give you an appreciation of the broader picture... But apparently it was wasted on you. How can someone like yourself, with a fixed and narrow mindset, broaden others horizons? You're just seeing the situation through your own specific perspective. So the problem might not be what you think it is. |
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Post by SixOfTheRichest on Jan 4, 2024 8:29:51 GMT
How can someone like yourself, with a fixed and narrow mindset, broaden others horizons? You're just seeing the situation through your own specific perspective. So the problem might not be what you think it is. You mean hope is the problem? I guess that paradox is lost on you. |
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Post by Stammerhead on Jan 4, 2024 8:32:54 GMT
You raised the topic, so you go first. Hope is not real. It is delusion. With hope comes expectation and with expectation comes disappointment. We can use hope as an expression of care. You could say I am very unwell and I say I hope you get better soon. Thing is though, you may get better, you may not. Hoping isn't going to change any outcome of what is going to happen. This is out of our control. Movies like to use hope themes. What message are they really putting out though. What are they wanting to hope into? Of course these are also positive outcomes so things are not entirely hopeless. |
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Post by ant-mac on Jan 4, 2024 8:34:23 GMT
Hope is not real. It is delusion. With hope comes expectation and with expectation comes disappointment. We can use hope as an expression of care. You could say I am very unwell and I say I hope you get better soon. Thing is though, you may get better, you may not. Hoping isn't going to change any outcome of what is going to happen. This is out of our control. Movies like to use hope themes. What message are they really putting out though. What are they wanting to hope into? Of course these are also positive outcomes so things are not entirely hopeless. Sorry to disagree, but I think OP is beyond hope... ;) |
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Post by SixOfTheRichest on Jan 4, 2024 8:38:07 GMT
Hope is not real. It is delusion. With hope comes expectation and with expectation comes disappointment. We can use hope as an expression of care. You could say I am very unwell and I say I hope you get better soon. Thing is though, you may get better, you may not. Hoping isn't going to change any outcome of what is going to happen. This is out of our control. Movies like to use hope themes. What message are they really putting out though. What are they wanting to hope into? Of course these are also positive outcomes so things are not entirely hopeless. Yet is hoping going to affect the unforeseeable outcome? For whom are things either hopeful or hopeless? If one finds something or a situation hopeless, then the only thing they are dealing with is a situation that they can’t alter, as much as they may hope it was otherwise. The expectation is crushing. |
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Post by SixOfTheRichest on Jan 4, 2024 8:39:29 GMT
Of course these are also positive outcomes so things are not entirely hopeless. Sorry to disagree, but I think OP is beyond hope...  What are you actually hoping for me though? What expectation do you desire? |
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Post by ant-mac on Jan 4, 2024 8:40:59 GMT
Sorry to disagree, but I think OP is beyond hope... What are you actually hoping for me though? What expectation do you desire? I said I believe you were beyond hope, not that I had any personal or specific hope for you. |
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Post by Stammerhead on Jan 4, 2024 8:44:36 GMT
Of course these are also positive outcomes so things are not entirely hopeless. Yet is hoping going to affect the unforeseeable outcome? For whom are things either hopeful or hopeless? If one finds something or a situation hopeless, then the only thing they are dealing with is a situation that they can’t alter, as much as they may hope it was otherwise. The expectation is crushing. I don’t think anyone really expects hope to change the outcome. Now there are those who think having a positive attitude helps and you should not give up and you can do anything if you try hard enough. But I’m too much of a pessimist to go along with all that. |
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Post by SixOfTheRichest on Jan 4, 2024 8:54:19 GMT
What are you actually hoping for me though? What expectation do you desire? I said I believe you were beyond hope, not that I had any personal or specific hope for you. You would have to define hope, to make any sense as to why I am beyond this hope thing. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2024 8:56:11 GMT
Well, hope without action is useless
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Post by SixOfTheRichest on Jan 4, 2024 8:57:02 GMT
Yet is hoping going to affect the unforeseeable outcome? For whom are things either hopeful or hopeless? If one finds something or a situation hopeless, then the only thing they are dealing with is a situation that they can’t alter, as much as they may hope it was otherwise. The expectation is crushing. I don’t think anyone really expects hope to change the outcome. Now there are those who think having a positive attitude helps and you should not give up and you can do anything if you try hard enough. But I’m too much of a pessimist to go along with all that. One has to be realistically optimistic. Pessimism is born out of frustration. Hoping for a different outcome can never be gauged from within each moment. Only gratitude perhaps after the fact within each moment. |
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Post by SixOfTheRichest on Jan 4, 2024 8:59:13 GMT
Well, hope without action is useless I’m not quite following. Action is everything, hope May build around that, but action is always first and foremost. Consequence results because of action. Hope is irrelevant. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2024 9:00:54 GMT
Well, hope without action is useless I’m not quite following. Action is everything, hope May build around that, but action is always first and foremost. Consequence results because of action. Hope is irrelevant. Well, you can hope for a better tomorrow but without doing anything it's pointless |
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