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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2024 9:11:33 GMT
I don’t think anyone really expects hope to change the outcome. Now there are those who think having a positive attitude helps and you should not give up and you can do anything if you try hard enough. But I’m too much of a pessimist to go along with all that. One has to be realistically optimistic. Pessimism is born out of frustration. Hoping for a different outcome can never be gauged from within each moment. Only gratitude perhaps after the fact within each moment. There’s always a bit of hope even when things are at their worse. Like hoping the branch doesn’t break when you hang yourself. |
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Post by SixOfTheRichest on Jan 4, 2024 10:06:48 GMT
I’m not quite following. Action is everything, hope May build around that, but action is always first and foremost. Consequence results because of action. Hope is irrelevant. Well, you can hope for a better tomorrow but without doing anything it's pointless The action isn’t pointless, but what is a better tomorrow? |
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Post by SixOfTheRichest on Jan 4, 2024 10:12:20 GMT
One has to be realistically optimistic. Pessimism is born out of frustration. Hoping for a different outcome can never be gauged from within each moment. Only gratitude perhaps after the fact within each moment. There’s always a bit of hope even when things are at their worse. Like hoping the branch doesn’t break when you hang yourself. The person that is hanging themselves may feel everything is hopeless, yet the bottom line, or is that rope, is that hope or hoping for whatever is still irrlevant. If one is in that suicidal situation and act upon it, I’d say the promoted delusion of hope that drove them to it, as they were constantly in despair. |
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Post by ant-mac on Jan 4, 2024 10:16:51 GMT
I said I believe you were beyond hope, not that I had any personal or specific hope for you. You would have to define hope, to make any sense as to why I am beyond this hope thing. Would I? Says who? |
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Post by SixOfTheRichest on Jan 4, 2024 10:18:01 GMT
What are you actually hoping for me though? What expectation do you desire? I said I believe you were beyond hope, not that I had any personal or specific hope for you. To be beyond hope, has to have some empirical logic to make any sense. If it’s not specific, then it’s not worth contemplating. What are hoping for, if I’m “beyond” what you are hoping for? |
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Post by SixOfTheRichest on Jan 4, 2024 10:18:49 GMT
You would have to define hope, to make any sense as to why I am beyond this hope thing. Would I? Says who? If you want me to give you credence you do. Obviously you don’t. |
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Post by ant-mac on Jan 4, 2024 10:20:24 GMT
If you want me to give you credence you do. Obviously you don’t. I don't care what you do. |
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Post by SixOfTheRichest on Jan 4, 2024 10:21:11 GMT
If you want me to give you credence you do. Obviously you don’t. I don't care what you do. Then what are you attempting to argue for? |
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Post by gwyn on Jan 4, 2024 10:23:33 GMT
Hope is neither unreal nor a delusion, it is simply the ability to look forward and see positive outcomes.
When a person lacks that ability, he is said to be hopeless.
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Post by ant-mac on Jan 4, 2024 10:38:57 GMT
I don't care what you do. Then what are you attempting to argue for? The only one attempting anything is you... And that is to attract attention to yourself. |
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Post by SixOfTheRichest on Jan 4, 2024 11:16:54 GMT
Then what are you attempting to argue for? The only one attempting anything is you... And that is to attract attention to yourself. Then why are you giving it to me? It’s a chat thread. What attention are you after? |
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Post by SixOfTheRichest on Jan 4, 2024 11:19:47 GMT
Hope is neither unreal nor a delusion, it is simply the ability to look forward and see positive outcomes. When a person lacks that ability, he is said to be hopeless. If it’s neither real or unreal, what is it then? The abstract delusion of hope is not the same for everyone either. People can be perceived as hopeless, but isn’t that then on the perceived in wanting to hope for something else for them? That strikes me as arrogant. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2024 11:25:18 GMT
Well, you can hope for a better tomorrow but without doing anything it's pointless The action isn’t pointless, but what is a better tomorrow? Just to be clear here. Hoping or the action one takes to potentially see a better tomorrow isnt pointless? A better tomorrow is unique to the individual. Could be they want to a better swimmer, complete some course, cure an illness etc |
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Post by gwyn on Jan 4, 2024 11:25:52 GMT
Hope is neither unreal nor a delusion, it is simply the ability to look forward and see positive outcomes. When a person lacks that ability, he is said to be hopeless. If it’s neither real or unreal, what is it then? The abstract delusion of hope is not the same for everyone either. People can be perceived as hopeless, but isn’t that then on the perceived in wanting to hope for something else for them? That strikes me as arrogant. You're overthinking it, mate. You must know what "the ability to look forward" means. It's fairly foundational to being a human. If you've lost it, it's a red flag clinically speaking. Observing that is no more arrogant than noting that if your resting heart rate is too fast, you've got to sort that out. |
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Post by SixOfTheRichest on Jan 4, 2024 11:30:20 GMT
The action isn’t pointless, but what is a better tomorrow? Just to be clear here. Hoping or the action one takes to potentially see a better tomorrow isnt pointless? A better tomorrow is unique to the individual. Could be they want to a better swimmer, complete some course, cure an illness etc There is no better tomorrow though. That is delusion within itself. The only thing that is certain in life is death. That will happen in the moment, not on hoping for a better tomorrow. Death will never be bettered. |
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