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Post by yggdrasil on Jan 10, 2024 13:12:57 GMT
Don't really accept the concept as they were just doing what their culture was based on. "evil" implies doing something against your own moral standard which they were not doing.
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Post by peachy on Jan 10, 2024 15:29:11 GMT
The hanged god "Wotan" is an uncomfortable subject. I do not wish to name off any more of the old gods because there are those who would attempt to "summon" them which can be as simple as speaking the name aloud. To court the attention of any of those ancient deities could be disastrous. Some things are just better left alone, or should only be known to the Pagans who keep track of such things. Yahweh is also a hanged god if one believes Yahweh is also Jesus, who is his own father. I see you don't understand the Trinity.
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Post by peachy on Jan 10, 2024 15:52:53 GMT
Don't really accept the concept as they were just doing what their culture was based on. "evil" implies doing something against your own moral standard which they were not doing. Trying telling that to Prince Myshkin who fancies himself some sort of a moral compass, which is laughable.
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Post by Prince Myshkin on Jan 10, 2024 16:57:56 GMT
Don't really accept the concept as they were just doing what their culture was based on. "evil" implies doing something against your own moral standard which they were not doing. Trying telling that to Prince Myshkin who fancies himself some sort of a moral compass, which is laughable. Yeah, the Vikings were rather "evil" as a culture.
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Post by mikemonger on Jan 10, 2024 17:37:42 GMT
Depends on perspective.
If you lived along a coast, there was a good chance of you getting raided, murdered, and/or enslaved by them.
That's evil.
But from the vikings perspective, those actions were justified for any number of reasons.
But since evil always thinks its actions are justified, I'm gonna go with yeah...evil.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2024 17:50:29 GMT
another evening of cut & paste vs. Box-O-Wine, I see....as usual Box-O-Wine wins Just a second thread on the Native American theme. Seems like the human sacrifice angle was justification for destroying their civilizations. The Vikings and all the non-Romanized Germanic people were as primitive, if not more so compared to the Aztecs. And then, like the Aztecs, they got Christianized and the sacrifices ended and that is a good thing. They would go on to be a part of Western society. What's your point?
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Post by lunda2222 on Jan 10, 2024 20:49:01 GMT
And how is that different from human sacrifices.... I mean Capital Punishment today?
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Jan 10, 2024 20:59:30 GMT
Don't really accept the concept as they were just doing what their culture was based on. "evil" implies doing something against your own moral standard which they were not doing. And this holds true for the Aztec and other cultures that practiced it. It was their worldview that extreme sacrifice to the Gods was necessary to keep their prosperity going. Even the Romans, who damned the Carthaginians for sacrificing their first born to Ba’al…a custom practiced since the Bronze Age…sacrificed their vanquished kings and prisoners during their war triumphs.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Jan 10, 2024 21:00:58 GMT
Trying telling that to Prince Myshkin who fancies himself some sort of a moral compass, which is laughable. Yeah, the Vikings were rather "evil" as a culture. Relatively speaking. The folks they a-vikinged thought so.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Jan 10, 2024 21:02:14 GMT
And how is that different from human sacrifices.... I mean Capital Punishment today? The USA sacrifices its young men when we need to boost our economy with a war in the Middle East.
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Jan 10, 2024 21:25:27 GMT
And how is that different from human sacrifices.... I mean Capital Punishment today? Human sacrifice and capital punishment are as different as that horrible Fritzl case in Austria is from imprisoning a bank robber. But I suspect you know that and you are just saying stupid things to, I don't know, appear clever or wise.
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Post by thekindercarebear on Jan 10, 2024 21:39:38 GMT
weren't many of them gingers?
the question answers itself. :)
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Post by general313 on Jan 10, 2024 21:58:25 GMT
The hanged god "Wotan" is an uncomfortable subject. I do not wish to name off any more of the old gods because there are those who would attempt to "summon" them which can be as simple as speaking the name aloud. To court the attention of any of those ancient deities could be disastrous. Some things are just better left alone, or should only be known to the Pagans who keep track of such things. Is that why the Germans use Mittwoch (literally mid-week) for Wednesday, staying away from the more Wagnerian Wotanstag? They use pagan gods for the other days of the week, like Donnerstag for Thursday.
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Post by general313 on Jan 10, 2024 22:01:47 GMT
I don't know about all of them but Erik the Red (the guy who came up, in a 1000-year-old real estate scam, with the name Greenland) was pretty evil.
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Jan 10, 2024 22:06:15 GMT
I voted "yes" for the same reason I voted "yes" on the poll about Native Americans - pretty much every single human culture of the past was evil, going by present-day standards.
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