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Post by nostromo on Feb 27, 2024 11:28:29 GMT
Because it matters to them. They care about inncoent people. Not good enough. As you already said, there are plenty of conflicts out there where innocent people are suffering. What is so special about this particlar one... other than that the perpetrators are Jews, of course? Why do you need to know the personal stories of those who speak about it?
Maybe it's because they have a great deal of muslim frieds whose children have been murdered recently. Who knows? Who cares? Why put so much energy into devaluing those who speak up about wanting peace?
If they only spoke about the Ukranian conflict, you wouldn't have piped up about not mentioning the middle east. Your agenda is deafening.
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Post by tickingmask on Feb 27, 2024 11:34:34 GMT
If they only spoke about the Ukranian conflict, you wouldn't have piped up about not mentioning the middle east. Your agenda is deafening. You mean the German Politicians agenda? Why don't you go back, read the OP again and see exactly what it was I was originally responding to before you start accusing me of having an 'agenda'?
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Post by nostromo on Feb 27, 2024 11:36:24 GMT
If they only spoke about the Ukranian conflict, you wouldn't have piped up about not mentioning the middle east. Your agenda is deafening. You mean the German Politicians agenda? Why don't you go back, read the OP again and see exactly what it was I was originally responding to before you start accusing me of having an 'agenda'? Because you do.
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Post by tickingmask on Feb 27, 2024 11:42:59 GMT
Jesus Christ, do you ever actually read what people write and consider an intelligent response or do you always just lash out angrily? Let me try and spell this out in simple words: this thread is about German politicians accusing filmmakers of anti-semitism after their speeches at a film award denouncing Israel. The OP questions whether these accusations are justified. I respond with my opinion on this. Stop being a twat and taking everything so personally.
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Post by nostromo on Feb 27, 2024 11:43:51 GMT
Jesus Christ, do you ever actually read what people write and consider an intelligent response or do you always just lash out angrily? Let me try and spell this out in simple words: this thread is about German politicians accusing filmmakers of anti-semitism after their speeches at a film award denouncing Israel. The OP questions whether these accusations are justified. I respond with my opinion on this. Stop being a twat and taking everything so personally. I like how I'm the angry one.
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Post by tickingmask on Feb 27, 2024 11:51:36 GMT
I like how I'm the angry one. Yes, I tend to react badly when some idiot without even two brain cells to rub together takes everything I say personally and has a go at me for no reason. Call it a weakness if you must.
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Post by Winter_King on Feb 27, 2024 11:52:00 GMT
One film that won the award for best documentary was made by an Israeli and a Palestinian and it's specifically about the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians so it makes perfect sense for those filmmakers to talk specifically about what's currently happening in Gaza. And denounce not just Israel, but Hamas as well? Or do they get a free pass, and if so, why? I don't think they get free pass. Going after civilians is inexcusable. And by the way some filmmakers did said that there was no excuse for what Hamas had done, others called for a ceasefire and the release of all hostages. There is also the fact that some of the critics of Israel were Israeli themselves which makes the antisemitism accusation a bit silly. But I can take a guess why one side is more criticized than the other: one is the belief that people have the right to resist the occupation, in this case Palestinians considered the occupied people and the responsibility of protecting civilians lies with the occupying power. Second it's the number of people killed. According to the numbers we have, more civilians were killed in Gaza since October 7th than civilians were killed in Ukraine in two years of war. And the majority of those are women and children. There is also the fact that Western countries are supporting Israel. Some of them are actually sending weapons. No western country is giving the same amount of support to Russia or Hamas.
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Post by mowlick on Feb 27, 2024 11:59:41 GMT
Not necessarily, but even as a dyed-in-the-wool hard-and-fast card-carrying Putinphobe myself, I would equally question why they feel it is so important to them that they feel they need to mention a conflict that has nothing to do with them, during an occasion that has nothing to do with the conflict.
If they used the occasion to condemn their own governments for sending aid to Ukraine, or buying oil from the Russians, I concede that might be a slightly different matter, however.
Because it matters to them. They care about inncoent people.
Why do you struggle with that?
Because they don't.
The Germans don't and El Hamas and you don't.
When El Hamas launched its attack on 7 October it had no intention of following it up with a march on Jerusalem. It was terror for terror's sake. And the terrorists were fully aware of what the Israeli response would be. They knew that the IDF would plod on until everyone they wanted dead was dead.
And the Germans know that and you know that and all your weeping and wailing over the Palestinian dead is just fashionable hypocrisy
And
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Post by nostromo on Feb 27, 2024 12:02:04 GMT
Because it matters to them. They care about inncoent people.
Why do you struggle with that?
Because they don't.
The Germans don't and El Hamas and you don't.
When El Hamas launched its attack on 7 October it had no intention of following it up with a march on Jerusalem. It was terror for terror's sake. And the terrorists were fully aware of what the Israeli response would be. They knew that the IDF would plod on until everyone they wanted dead was dead.
And the Germans know that and you know that and all your weeping and wailing over the Palestinian dead is just fashionable hypocrisy
And
So nobody cares about children and women dying in Gaza. Not a single person; and it's just fashionable to do so. Is that what you're claiming?
Even the guy who set himself on fire and died?
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Post by tickingmask on Feb 27, 2024 12:08:11 GMT
I don't think they get free pass. Going after civilians is inexcusable. And by the way some filmmakers did said that there was no excuse for what Hamas had done, others called for a ceasefire and the release of all hostages. Ok, I hope that was the case, although it is not what I read in the DW article, which said specifically that "The filmmakers were also criticized for not referring to the role of Hamas in the conflict and the October 7 terror attacks" hence the reason I thought fit to mention it in the first place.
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Post by mowlick on Feb 27, 2024 12:09:20 GMT
Because they don't.
The Germans don't and El Hamas and you don't.
When El Hamas launched its attack on 7 October it had no intention of following it up with a march on Jerusalem. It was terror for terror's sake. And the terrorists were fully aware of what the Israeli response would be. They knew that the IDF would plod on until everyone they wanted dead was dead.
And the Germans know that and you know that and all your weeping and wailing over the Palestinian dead is just fashionable hypocrisy
And
So nobody cares about children and women dying in Gaza. Not a single person; and it's just fashionable to do so. Is that what you're claiming?
I would not say everybody, but I doubt that you really care.
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Post by nostromo on Feb 27, 2024 12:11:18 GMT
So nobody cares about children and women dying in Gaza. Not a single person; and it's just fashionable to do so. Is that what you're claiming?
I would not say everybody, but I doubt that you really care. So, just to check, who's on the list of people not caring about dead kids?
1. Me. 2.
Is that it?
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Post by tickingmask on Feb 27, 2024 12:15:33 GMT
So nobody cares about children and women dying in Gaza. Not a single person; and it's just fashionable to do so. Is that what you're claiming? Hamas certainly don't care! They couldn't give a shit about all the children and women dying in Gaza, beyond trying to exploit these deaths for their political advantage. They didn't really care about the Israeli children and women they killed either. You wouldn't be trying to defend Hamas, would you?
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Post by Carl LaFong on Feb 27, 2024 12:23:33 GMT
I would not say everybody, but I doubt that you really care. So, just to check, who's on the list of people not caring about dead kids?
1. Me. 2.
Is that it?
Casey Anthony!
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Post by nostromo on Feb 27, 2024 12:27:06 GMT
So nobody cares about children and women dying in Gaza. Not a single person; and it's just fashionable to do so. Is that what you're claiming? Hamas certainly don't care! They couldn't give a shit about all the children and women dying in Gaza, beyond trying to exploit these deaths for their political advantage. They didn't really care about the Israeli children and women they killed either. You wouldn't be trying to defend Hamas, would you? No mate. That you even asked the question shows your grasp on the situation.
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