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Post by Carl LaFong on Feb 26, 2024 17:52:20 GMT
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Post by tickingmask on Feb 27, 2024 8:26:40 GMT
Not really anti-Semitism is it? Not really, so long as they used their moment on the podium to denounce in equal measure, say, the Russian bombing of Ukraine. They did that, right?
If not, then I think German politicians would be justified in asking what their motives were in singling out Israel and ignoring everywhere else. I mean, yes, freedom of speech and all that - they are free to express their views on the Gaza situation, but they weren't there in the first place to make a political statement; they were there to collect an award.
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Post by mowlick on Feb 27, 2024 9:33:55 GMT
Jews have a strong presence in the arts and artists have a long tradition of biting the hand that feeds them.
So no change there
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Post by nostromo on Feb 27, 2024 9:41:21 GMT
Not really anti-Semitism is it? Not really, so long as they used their moment on the podium to denounce in equal measure, say, the Russian bombing of Ukraine. They did that, right?
If not, then I think German politicians would be justified in asking what their motives were in singling out Israel and ignoring everywhere else. I mean, yes, freedom of speech and all that - they are free to express their views on the Gaza situation, but they weren't there in the first place to make a political statement; they were there to collect an award.
Do you expect them to mention every single conflict happening on the planet ? There aren't only two you know. |
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Post by tickingmask on Feb 27, 2024 10:12:51 GMT
Do you expect them to mention every single conflict happening on the planet ? There aren't only two you know. No, in an ideal world I wouldn't expect them to mention any conflict at all, but if they don't want to get accused of anti-semitism, they shouldn't singling out the one and only conflict happening on the planet that involves Jews. And did Hamas' part in this particular conflict get any mention? You know, that Hamas whose stated intention is to cleanse the entire region of Jews by any means possible? |
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Post by nostromo on Feb 27, 2024 10:24:17 GMT
Do you expect them to mention every single conflict happening on the planet ? There aren't only two you know. No, in an ideal world I wouldn't expect them to mention any conflict at all, but if they don't want to get accused of anti-semitism, they shouldn't singling out the one and only conflict happening on the planet that involves Jews. And did Hamas' part in this particular conflict get any mention? You know, that Hamas whose stated intention is to cleanse the entire region of Jews by any means possible? Why wouldn't they mention what's important to them? You think they should be censored? |
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Post by tickingmask on Feb 27, 2024 10:37:34 GMT
Why wouldn't they mention what's important to them? You think they should be censored? No, but I would like to see some objective scrutiny on why it is so important to them that they feel they need to mention a conflict that has nothing to do with them, during an occasion that has nothing to do with the conflict, and whether anti-semitism could be a possible reason for this. And this particular enquring mind would also like to know whether, by condemning one side but not the other that started this whole thing off, they might be giving implicit support to a terrorist organisation whose stated intention is to eradicate Jews and whose genocidal mission statement "from the river to the sea" is being parroted by other useful idiots who are probably too stupid even to know what river and what sea are being referred to.
If German politicians are asking these kinds of question, then good for them! It's long past time that somebody did.
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Post by nostromo on Feb 27, 2024 10:46:40 GMT
Why wouldn't they mention what's important to them? You think they should be censored? No, but I would like to see some objective scrutiny on why it is so important to them that they feel they need to mention a conflict that has nothing to do with them, during an occasion that has nothing to do with the conflict, and whether anti-semitism could be a possible reason for this. And this particular enquring mind would also like to know whether, by condemning one side but not the other that started this whole thing off, they might be giving implicit support to a terrorist organisation whose stated intention is to eradicate Jews and whose genocidal mission statement "from the river to the sea" is being parroted by other useful idiots who are probably too stupid even to know what river and what sea are being referred to.
If German politicians are asking these kinds of question, then good for them! It's long past time that somebody did.
So first you said they need to mention 1 other war if they meniton Gaza. Now you state that the Gaza war has nothing to do with them (how you know this information is puzzling) so they shouldn''t mention it. Does the Ukriane war have something to do with them? It's ok for them to mention that one rigt?
You're all over the place with this.
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Post by Winter_King on Feb 27, 2024 10:52:56 GMT
Not really anti-Semitism is it? Not really, so long as they used their moment on the podium to denounce in equal measure, say, the Russian bombing of Ukraine. They did that, right?
If not, then I think German politicians would be justified in asking what their motives were in singling out Israel and ignoring everywhere else. I mean, yes, freedom of speech and all that - they are free to express their views on the Gaza situation, but they weren't there in the first place to make a political statement; they were there to collect an award.
So people that criticize the Russian bombing of Ukraine but not the Israeli bombing of Gaza are Russophobic. |
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Post by tickingmask on Feb 27, 2024 10:59:34 GMT
You're all over the place with this.
No I'm not - I have made my points with clarity and precision. The fact that you seem to be unable to address them or even offer your own personal opinion on whether these accusations of anti-semitism are justified, or how you think these filmmakers might better avoid them in future awards ceremonies, is entirely your problem and not mine! |
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Post by tickingmask on Feb 27, 2024 11:05:05 GMT
So people that criticize the Russian bombing of Ukraine but not the Israeli bombing of Gaza are Russophobic. Not necessarily, but even as a dyed-in-the-wool hard-and-fast card-carrying Putinphobe myself, I would equally question why they feel it is so important to them that they feel they need to mention a conflict that has nothing to do with them, during an occasion that has nothing to do with the conflict.
If they used the occasion to condemn their own governments for sending aid to Ukraine, or buying oil from the Russians, I concede that might be a slightly different matter, however.
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Post by nostromo on Feb 27, 2024 11:14:37 GMT
So people that criticize the Russian bombing of Ukraine but not the Israeli bombing of Gaza are Russophobic. Not necessarily, but even as a dyed-in-the-wool hard-and-fast card-carrying Putinphobe myself, I would equally question why they feel it is so important to them that they feel they need to mention a conflict that has nothing to do with them, during an occasion that has nothing to do with the conflict.
If they used the occasion to condemn their own governments for sending aid to Ukraine, or buying oil from the Russians, I concede that might be a slightly different matter, however.
Because it matters to them. They care about inncoent people.
Why do you struggle with that?
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Post by Winter_King on Feb 27, 2024 11:17:31 GMT
So people that criticize the Russian bombing of Ukraine but not the Israeli bombing of Gaza are Russophobic. Not necessarily, but even as a dyed-in-the-wool hard-and-fast Putinphobe myself, I would equally question why they feel it is so important to them that they feel they need to mention a conflict that has nothing to do with them, during an occasion that has nothing to do with the conflict.
If they used the occasion to condemn their own governments for sending aid to Ukraine, or buying oil from the Russians, I concede that might be a slightly different matter, however.
Well if not necessarily, a person that criticizes Israel's bombing of Gaza but Russia's bombing of Ukraine is not necessarily anti Semitic. One film that won the award for best documentary was made by an Israeli and a Palestinian and it's specifically about the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians so it makes perfect sense for those filmmakers to talk specifically about what's currently happening in Gaza. |
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Post by tickingmask on Feb 27, 2024 11:19:24 GMT
Because it matters to them. They care about inncoent people. Not good enough. As you already said, there are plenty of conflicts out there where innocent people are suffering. What is so special about this particlar one... other than that the perpetrators are Jews, of course? |
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Post by tickingmask on Feb 27, 2024 11:27:43 GMT
One film that won the award for best documentary was made by an Israeli and a Palestinian and it's specifically about the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians so it makes perfect sense for those filmmakers to talk specifically about what's currently happening in Gaza. And denounce not just Israel, but Hamas as well? Or do they get a free pass, and if so, why? |
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