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Post by tickingmask on Mar 10, 2024 22:54:30 GMT
If I get time I will find a quote from Adams Before the Dawn, where I read about his council house. I look forward to a quote offering real evidence (rather than just Adams' personal opinion) that bulldozing family homes as a punitive measure was a British tactic during the troubles. Without one, I am continuing to call 'bullshit'. I see you didn't offer an opinion on the degree to which Hamas is proving to be a barrier to a political solution between Israel and Gaza. How about they release all the hostages who are still alive, and give a full account of what happened the ones who aren't, for a start? And perhaps an undertaking that they won't rape quite so many women, or kill quite so many civilians, next time they decide to do a border raid? |
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Post by Carl LaFong on Mar 10, 2024 23:24:10 GMT
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Post by Hairynosedwombat on Mar 11, 2024 4:16:47 GMT
If I get time I will find a quote from Adams Before the Dawn, where I read about his council house. His house was firebombed by the “Real IRA” six years ago. You don’t mean that do you? No, it was long before that, in the 1970s I think. |
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Post by tickingmask on Mar 11, 2024 18:41:02 GMT
Are you actually trying to present this as evidence that demolishing the homes of terrorists' families as a punishment was a British tactic during the troubles?
Please tell me you weren't.
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Post by Carl LaFong on Mar 11, 2024 18:55:04 GMT
Are you actually trying to present this as evidence that demolishing the homes of terrorists' families as a punishment was a British tactic during the troubles?
Please tell me you weren't.
Me? No. |
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Post by mowlick on Mar 11, 2024 19:54:46 GMT
Are you actually trying to present this as evidence that demolishing the homes of terrorists' families as a punishment was a British tactic during the troubles?
Please tell me you weren't.
If it appears in the Guardian and is backed up by Nobbi, Carl will believe anything.
Council houses belong to the local authority, so why they should feel that they were punishing Gerry Adams by demolishing their own property seems a little odd, but Carl's world is not ours
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Post by Carl LaFong on Mar 11, 2024 20:01:33 GMT
Are you actually trying to present this as evidence that demolishing the homes of terrorists' families as a punishment was a British tactic during the troubles?
Please tell me you weren't.
If it appears in the Guardian and is backed up by Nobbi, Carl will believe anything.
Council houses belong to the local authority, so why they should feel that they were punishing Gerry Adams by demolishing their own property seems a little odd, but Carl's world is not ours
If you read the thread you’d see I’m not at all convinced by hairy’s claim. |
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Post by tickingmask on Mar 12, 2024 8:44:34 GMT
If you read the thread you’d see I’m not at all convinced by hairy’s claim. That's because it's total bollocks. Quite apart from mowlick's point that it was a council house - why would the British government destroy their own property, wouldn't it be easier just to evict the family and house another there instead? - it also is in clear breach of Geneva conventions, something which it is in our interest to be seen to be observing, and there'd be no tactical purpose in doing it on the quiet since its only (dubious) value is as a deterrent, so one would have to be upfront about it. Of course, observing Geneva conventions was never an issue with the IRA, who deliberately targeted civilians, shot every soldier they captured and were always upfront about carrying out summary executions or inflicting life-changing disfiguring injuries on any of their own people they considered to be touts or who crossed them in some way or other. It bothers me as much as it does nogbad how much support they got from the Yanks who must have been in full knowledge of the things they did. Perhaps they and their supporters decided they were a special kind of army for which Geneva conventions shouldn't apply? I wonder if Gerry Adams' book has anything to say about that? |
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Post by Nogbad on Mar 12, 2024 18:43:04 GMT
I think I'll pass on that. I read a few Martin Dillon books on the subject years ago, which were all very good, but not uplifting. I still haven't forgotten where the IRA got a large part of their funding from, btw, and won't. I know all y'all like to have a Year Zero every four or eight years, but that doesn't work for us. I remember in the 80s and part of the 90s the Noraid fundraisers and other money raising things for the Catholic Irish. We knew a lot was going to buy guns. I used to hear it talked about amongst the adults. Anti-British sentiment was very strong in the Irish-American community. Most of us are descended from poor Irish who had little choice but to leave their island. My first relative came in the late 1840s from Cork which was rocked by starvation. He later joined the Union Army during the ACW. The stories were passed down and there wasn’t a soul who didn’t consider the famine and other “population controls” a genocide. So yes I think it’s important you don’t forget where some of the funding came from and that’s because Irish Americans never forgot why they came to the U.S. And whether rightly or wrongly (the famine is widely considered a major policy failure on the fault of the British that made things worse) the Irish Americans blame Britain for the woes that befell their ancestors. My Mom’s Irish side came during the War of Independence and we still keep in touch with family there. Curiously, they’re not as strongly anti-British as my Dad’s side who has been here much longer. I think it’s time for the Irish Americans to forgive, but I understand why you wouldn’t want to forgive them given you lived through that troubled time. Ultimately, I blame (proto-, in this instance) capitalism, but I don't imagine that's going to play well on your side of the pond either, somehow! The holy market was allowed to deal with the famine in it's own sweet way. After causing it in the first place, naturally. I have no problem with Americans or anyone else holding anti-British views; but I'd rather y'all wouldn't pontificate about "the West" (which does not and cannot exist in my view) while doing so. There is no special relationship between our countries, as you did indeed (as often espoused) inherit our jolly old empire, and we're still in a huff about it. Not me personally, tbf, given that I live in one of it's last vestiges and wish to hell I didn't. Also tbf, sort of, I feel precisely the same about the plastic Paddies on this side of the pond who also supported and financed acts of terrorism, against the country in which they actually live. Which is worse. |
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