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Post by PaulsLaugh on Apr 14, 2024 1:12:55 GMT
do those stats really MEAN anything tho?
i mean SURE florida and virginia are doing well but if well means an AP english class means discussing our feelings and telling each other why the renaissance was a hoax because of a lack of equity - then what's THAT worth?
It’s uneducated to assume that’s what happens in AP classes. You make generalizations based upon disinformation.
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Post by slowcomingwarbird on Apr 14, 2024 1:13:04 GMT
Oh, I'm not really concerned with educational issues in the slightest brah -- and I went to a few of those allegedly "good schools up North." Fuck em.
haha that's your attitude with a lot of stuff but i can't do that.
i actually like the U.S. and i'd like it not to turn into some crap hole BUT it looks like it's headed that way. soon to be 50T in national debt with kids who can't even PRONOUNCE Shakespeare much less read and comprehend his works.
sure in 30 years i may be dead as a door nail but that doesn't mean i just quit caring.
i hope.
If you don't like the system and don't have the money to spend on it. Or you just don't want to be paying off student debt for the rest of your life. Just be an "autodidact" and study the materials for free on the internet. Isn't that what you are paying all that money for is for a "professor" to hold your hand and spoon feed you an education. Put an effort into learning some things for yourself. It's alright to be a self taught autodidact, just don't be a racist.
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Post by thekindercarebear (C/F/M) on Apr 14, 2024 1:21:19 GMT
haha that's your attitude with a lot of stuff but i can't do that. i actually like the U.S. and i'd like it not to turn into some crap hole BUT it looks like it's headed that way. soon to be 50T in national debt with kids who can't even PRONOUNCE Shakespeare much less read and comprehend his works. sure in 30 years i may be dead as a door nail but that doesn't mean i just quit caring. i hope. If you don't like the system and don't have the money to spend on it. Or you just don't want to be paying off student debt for the rest of your life. Just be an "autodidact" and study the materials for free on the internet. Isn't that what you are paying all that money for is for a "professor" to hold your hand and spoon feed you an education. Put an effort into learning some things for yourself. It's alright to be a self taught autodidact, just don't be a racist. that's what ray bradbury did. library 3 days a week at 10 hours a day for like 10-15 years.
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Post by slowcomingwarbird on Apr 14, 2024 1:28:55 GMT
Uh, oh. Seeing the angry bear again when I click on this site. He has a point though - the education system is shit. Yeah, but nobody is interested in any of my ideas for improving it. Because it seems to be too much like socialism. The idea that all education should be for free and should be subsidized by the government and payed for with taxes. Is why Democrats kicked Bernie Sanders out of the Democrat party. It seems that those in power want for higher education to remain a status symbol to separate the rich from the lower class. Poor Bernie Sanders championed my cause resulting in the wealthy and powerful having a knee jerk reaction which ended up with Hillary Clinton running against Donald Trump, Hillary being the only person who could have ever lost to Trump. So oops, I guess Donald Trump getting into the Whitehouse is as much my fault as anyone else's, sorry about that.
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Post by thekindercarebear (C/F/M) on Apr 14, 2024 1:32:07 GMT
He has a point though - the education system is shit. Yeah, but nobody is interested in any of my ideas for improving it. Because it seems to be too much like socialism. The idea that all education should be for free and should be subsidized by the government and payed for with taxes. Is why Democrats kicked Bernie Sanders out of the Democrat party. It seems that those in power want for higher education to remain a status symbol to separate the rich from the lower class. Poor Bernie Sanders championed my cause resulting in the wealthy and powerful having a knee jerk reaction which ended up with Hillary Clinton running against Donald Trump, Hillary being the only person who could have ever lost to Trump. So oops, I guess Donald Trump getting into the Whitehouse is as much my fault as anyone else's, sorry about that. i am all for paid higher education for students able to maintain a 3.2 GPA. but considering how organizations are individuals and individuals can suck - there would likely be a hell of a lot of abuse.
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Post by slowcomingwarbird on Apr 14, 2024 1:41:02 GMT
Yeah, but nobody is interested in any of my ideas for improving it. Because it seems to be too much like socialism. The idea that all education should be for free and should be subsidized by the government and payed for with taxes. Is why Democrats kicked Bernie Sanders out of the Democrat party. It seems that those in power want for higher education to remain a status symbol to separate the rich from the lower class. Poor Bernie Sanders championed my cause resulting in the wealthy and powerful having a knee jerk reaction which ended up with Hillary Clinton running against Donald Trump, Hillary being the only person who could have ever lost to Trump. So oops, I guess Donald Trump getting into the Whitehouse is as much my fault as anyone else's, sorry about that. i am all for paid higher education for students able to maintain a 3.2 GPA. but considering how organizations are individuals and individuals can suck - there would likely be a hell of a lot of abuse. No tricks, no limitations, education should be for free for everyone to get as far with it as they are able to. The idea itself is simplicity and the only complications arise when penny pinchers try to make "rules" to start excluding people which goes against the spirit of the whole idea.
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Post by thekindercarebear (C/F/M) on Apr 14, 2024 1:42:31 GMT
i am all for paid higher education for students able to maintain a 3.2 GPA. but considering how organizations are individuals and individuals can suck - there would likely be a hell of a lot of abuse. No tricks, no limitations, education should be for free for everyone to get as far with it as they are able to. The idea itself is simplicity and the only complications arise when penny pinchers try to make "rules" to start excluding people which goes against the spirit of the whole idea. you know, i can't say no really. we pissed away 10trillion in wars in the middle east - would have easily paid for all this AND uhc AND a bag of chips for everyone.
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Post by abbey1227 on Apr 14, 2024 1:59:32 GMT
Heres the thing I don't think you are racist, but you do tend to use sources/articles that tends to paint a sketch that black, urban/city areas are the worst of the worst, and even when we add money, extra teachers, etc to those place no net gain will be made. It paints in broad strokes that maybe we shouldn't waste our taxes/treasure/capitol on certain groups. And I never actually see you bring up artcles on the Top 10 worse States/Areas. It's usually Baltimore/VA/DC. I know that's because you live near by. To others that don't know that it looks like you are cherry picking the black districts, areas and not bringing up the top 10 worst States for education (Which tend to be majority white or mostly white Arizona, Louisiana, Nevada, New Mexico, Alabama, South Carolina, Oklahoma, North Carolina, Florida, Tennessee according to world pop review/wallethub as of 2023) And I can say that lower standards does shit for no one... You still can allow for extenuating circumstances. If you allow that Charles was pretty much homeless in 9th Grade and 10th Grade being shipped back and forth to his 2 grandmas and his ma when she was straight and still managed a 3.18 gpa has to count for something. I mean no fucking chance in hell I would've been able to hold a 3.18 in his situation. So Maybe if you are State Run Governors School that people move onto campus and stay in dorms give Charlie-Boy a little credit for maintaining a 3.18 when he didn't know where or if he was going to have a roof over his head that night to do the assignments for classes. Also take into account he blew your Placement Tests out the water and give him the god damn common curtesy of a round up to the minimum of 3.2. Sorry that still bugs the shit out of me.
i actually point our many articles stating the educational system in America overall is sinking.
i am not just talking SATs.
i am talking too many high school kids who can't read past kindergarten level WHO ARE GRADUATING!
fucking see spot run. run spot run.
jesus fucking christ.
adulthood is a fucking grind and we're sending these kids out into the world with
Vass has seen thru my sock account persona
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Post by abbey1227 on Apr 14, 2024 2:08:58 GMT
BUT, the point is, WTAF? MI is a poor state, but what would an audit find? The fact the state had no contingency plan for online schooling just blew my mind.
The money is being more spent on Administration and buildings, than teachers. But who is to blame for that?
And you've reminded me of just one heated argument I got into with Equality years ago..........when I dared to suggest that MOST teachers could easily be replaced by videos of the BEST teachers giving lessons and sent to American kids on their phones/computers.
He mocked the idea entirely...........and then Covid hit. And then guess how he was then left to educate those Chinese students under his supervision?
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Post by Wildmanwizard on Apr 14, 2024 4:53:32 GMT
anytime i want to discuss the educational system in america some asshat will post a reply and imply it is purely for racist reasons and PaulsLaugh will hop in and give that a like?
well fuck you guys.
YOU PEOPLE are the reason our educational system is a complete clusterfuck.
you guys and gals have neither the balls, the backbone, or the intelligence to understand the long term ramifications of the continued failings of our public school system.
crying racism and lowering standards is not going to do shit for anyone.
you cowards.
Well said! Nobody wants real solutions; Just to bring everybody else down to the rest of societies bottom feeders who could be if any race. When the left stop seeing the world as opressed v oppressor, then the real problem solving can begin.
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Post by Wildmanwizard on Apr 14, 2024 4:54:54 GMT
anytime i want to discuss the educational system in america some asshat will post a reply and imply it is purely for racist reasons and PaulsLaugh will hop in and give that a like?
well fuck you guys.
YOU PEOPLE are the reason our educational system is a complete clusterfuck.
you guys and gals have neither the balls, the backbone, or the intelligence to understand the long term ramifications of the continued failings of our public school system.
crying racism and lowering standards is not going to do shit for anyone.
you cowards.
Heres the thing I don't think you are racist, but you do tend to use sources/articles that tends to paint a sketch that black, urban/city areas are the worst of the worst, and even when we add money, extra teachers, etc to those place no net gain will be made. It paints in broad strokes that maybe we shouldn't waste our taxes/treasure/capitol on certain groups. And I never actually see you bring up artcles on the Top 10 worse States/Areas. It's usually Baltimore/VA/DC. I know that's because you live near by. To others that don't know that it looks like you are cherry picking the black districts, areas and not bringing up the top 10 worst States for education (Which tend to be majority white or mostly white Arizona, Louisiana, Nevada, New Mexico, Alabama, South Carolina, Oklahoma, North Carolina, Florida, Tennessee according to world pop review/wallethub as of 2023) And I can say that lower standards does shit for no one... You still can allow for extenuating circumstances. If you allow that Charles was pretty much homeless in 9th Grade and 10th Grade being shipped back and forth to his 2 grandmas and his ma when she was straight and still managed a 3.18 gpa has to count for something. I mean no fucking chance in hell I would've been able to hold a 3.18 in his situation. So Maybe if you are State Run Governors School that people move onto campus and stay in dorms give Charlie-Boy a little credit for maintaining a 3.18 when he didn't know where or if he was going to have a roof over his head that night to do the assignments for classes. Also take into account he blew your Placement Tests out the water and give him the god damn common curtesy of a round up to the minimum of 3.2. Sorry that still bugs the shit out of me. Edit: I should say the State Run Governors School did eventually nix a gpa minimum and act/sat min (they still do entrance exams... ) and they do have gpa min for qualifying for financial aide though which is tantamount to having gpa minimums for most. School vouchers would fix all of that.
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Post by uncreative (I/Me) on Apr 14, 2024 5:18:53 GMT
If you want to fix it then ban private schools and force the rich kids into the public system.
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Post by thekindercarebear (C/F/M) on Apr 14, 2024 5:26:35 GMT
If you want to fix it then ban private schools and force the rich kids into the public system. hmm... as someone whose never even sniffed a private school except when installing new computers in them - it MIGHT be okay. how does this affect religious sponsored private schools - many of which support minorities tho?
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Post by slowcomingwarbird on Apr 14, 2024 5:56:56 GMT
anytime i want to discuss the educational system in america some asshat will post a reply and imply it is purely for racist reasons and PaulsLaugh will hop in and give that a like?
well fuck you guys.
YOU PEOPLE are the reason our educational system is a complete clusterfuck.
you guys and gals have neither the balls, the backbone, or the intelligence to understand the long term ramifications of the continued failings of our public school system.
crying racism and lowering standards is not going to do shit for anyone.
you cowards.
Well said! Nobody wants real solutions; Just to bring everybody else down to the rest of societies bottom feeders who could be if any race. When the left stop seeing the world as opressed v oppressor, then the real problem solving can begin. Basing teacher pay on "performance" is a bad idea that is just not working. With such a system of teacher wages attached to student grades it can only result in a downward spiral of education quality. It would be far better to return to the solid predictable wage model of the 1970's with the grade system of "A+", "A", "B+", "B", "C", "D", "F". So that responsibility for learning is placed on the students without penalizing teachers or staff with performance ratings.
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Post by uncreative (I/Me) on Apr 14, 2024 6:01:14 GMT
If you want to fix it then ban private schools and force the rich kids into the public system. hmm... as someone whose never even sniffed a private school except when installing new computers in them - it MIGHT be okay. how does this affect religious sponsored private schools - many of which support minorities tho? Burn them all to the ground.
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