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Post by ShadowSouL Likes This on Apr 22, 2024 5:17:28 GMT
Based on many if not all Christian theologies, the Son of Sam, who long ago accepted Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior and accepts his earthly consequences and believes he should never be paroled and doesn't want to be because he owns up to his actions, will spend eternity in heaven with Jesus and all the others who are saved by their faith in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.
Okay, I can hang with that, I have no problem with that, Jesus saves, Son of Sam concedes he's among the worst of sinners and he doesn't want to be let out and let go, he did the crime and he believes in doing the time, even if it's life behind bars for the remainder of his life on Earth, which looks pretty sure like that is going to be the case.
Here's the rub.
Based on those many if not all Christian theologies, the innocent victims of Son of Sam who were murdered in cold blood, after suffering at the hands of Jesus's now-servant, will themselves burn in the lake of fire for all eternity, no matter how well they lived their lives and despite being callously murdered for no reason, if they did not accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, and especially if they rejected Jesus Christ as their one and only Lord and Savior, whether on a spiritual and/or purely intellectual basis.
I challenge anyone to defend this putrid desecration of humanity and morality and decency.
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Post by ShadowSouL Likes This on Apr 22, 2024 5:19:16 GMT
As for voting, since this wasn't one of the options, I hereby write it in:
I'm damned if I do, damned if I don't.
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Post by Olaf Plunket on Apr 22, 2024 8:01:07 GMT
According to the faith, just one unrepentant sin lands one in the same fire as Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Jeffery Epstein and OJ. All the more reason I know it's all just crowd control. I am not aware of many details of what might await people in whatever afterlife there might be. I could find no scriptural basis for the notion that hell would be the "same fire" for Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Jeffery Epstein and OJ as for a person who only committed one unrepentant sin. While it is true that scriptures do not describe the variations in punishment many think they ought, it is also true that they do not state that the punishment is the same, although it could possibly be the same "type" like fire. The modern world recognizes various "degrees" of burns. In my many years of experience I have found that folk with very simple minds often believe that scriptures mean things that are just not there. It is important to them to feel that they know "all about it" so they can be the winners of arguments. I believe the scriptures were not intended to be taken literally. Some atheists and some fundamentalists are two sides of the same bad coin, people who take scriptures far too literally in order to suit their simple minds.
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Post by SciFive on Apr 22, 2024 8:13:37 GMT
All the more reason I know it's all just crowd control. I am not aware of many details of what might await people in whatever afterlife there might be. I could find no scriptural basis for the notion that hell would be the "same fire" for Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Jeffery Epstein and OJ as for a person who only committed one unrepentant sin. While it is true that scriptures do not describe the variations in punishment many think they ought, it is also true that they do not state that the punishment is the same, although it could possibly be the same "type" like fire. The modern world recognizes various "degrees" of burns. In my many years of experience I have found that folk with very simple minds often believe that scriptures mean things that are just not there. It is important to them to feel that they know "all about it" so they can be the winners of arguments. I believe the scriptures were not intended to be taken literally. Some atheists and some fundamentalists are two sides of the same bad coin, people who take scriptures far too literally in order to suit their simple minds. Ad hominem attack. ^^^ (“Simple minds.”)
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Post by Olaf Plunket on Apr 22, 2024 8:34:36 GMT
A possible mistake I often see is assuming that because God has forgiven a person then everyone on Earth must forgive that person too. I am probably not reading you correctly, but it does seem you have no regard for the people on Earth who were perhaps offended. Are they entitled to recompense or not? I'm not talking about others but rather myself as I'm not in the judgement industry. You're talking about courts of law and the legal system which is fine by me as far as passing judgement is concerned. Not all states in the United States allow capital punishment. Suppose however that a person lives in a state that does, and suppose that person offends others in a way that the law there requires a death penalty. Are you saying it is okay with you that they pay the price? Or would you hope to change the law of that state? Are you going to be Pontius Pilate and wash your hands? A problem I often find in discussing capital punishment is that there are people who cannot, or do not, distinguish a difference between capital punishment and a form of self defense that results in death. I distinguish a difference. In self defense people take an action necessary in the immediate circumstances to ensure their own life. In capital punishment a person locked up in a cage is killed. See a difference? If you would rather not talk about these things remember you do not have to talk about them.
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Post by Olaf Plunket on Apr 22, 2024 8:44:31 GMT
I am not aware of many details of what might await people in whatever afterlife there might be. I could find no scriptural basis for the notion that hell would be the "same fire" for Hitler, Stalin, Mao, and Jeffery Epstein and OJ as for a person who only committed one unrepentant sin. While it is true that scriptures do not describe the variations in punishment many think they ought, it is also true that they do not state that the punishment is the same, although it could possibly be the same "type" like fire. The modern world recognizes various "degrees" of burns. In my many years of experience I have found that folk with very simple minds often believe that scriptures mean things that are just not there. It is important to them to feel that they know "all about it" so they can be the winners of arguments. I believe the scriptures were not intended to be taken literally. Some atheists and some fundamentalists are two sides of the same bad coin, people who take scriptures far too literally in order to suit their simple minds. Ad hominem attack. ^^^ (“Simple minds.”) I have tried to explain that it is not always "illogical" to take notice of flaws a person might have. Actually it is often quite necessary that notice is taken of flaws in order to correct a problem in society. If you agree that I have been totally logical about it, however uncomfortable it might make some people, then fine. Use Latin your way then. If you are trying to accuse me of failing logic simply because I find people like you the problem, then you only highlight that people like you are the problem.
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Post by slowcomingwarbird on Apr 22, 2024 10:00:11 GMT
If you were trapped in a room with this song on endless loop wouldn't that be really close to what Hell really is.
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Post by Winter_King on Apr 22, 2024 10:05:52 GMT
I don't think anyone deserves hell, even our worst monsters. Infinite punishment for finite sins is ridiculous.
But as a non believer I would end up there along with Jeffrey Dahmer, Stalin and Hitler despite never intentionally harming anyone.
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Post by merh on Apr 22, 2024 10:16:44 GMT
I am watching some new thing on HBO. Sympathizer or some such. Lead says he doesn't like squid because his mom was making it & realized she didn't have fish sauce so she dashed off to the market, leaving the teen boy alone with the partially prepared food.
So of course he uses a piece to pleasure himself
Good grief. Is sex always the go to for guys?
Talk about damned by the lusts of the flesh.
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Post by merh on Apr 22, 2024 12:00:50 GMT
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Post by merh on Apr 22, 2024 12:17:52 GMT
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Post by merh on Apr 22, 2024 12:19:22 GMT
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Post by merh on Apr 22, 2024 12:21:06 GMT
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Post by abbey1227 on Apr 22, 2024 12:21:16 GMT
I am watching some new thing on HBO. Sympathizer or some such. Lead says he doesn't like squid because his mom was making it & realized she didn't have fish sauce so she dashed off to the market, leaving the teen boy alone with the partially prepared food. So of course he uses a piece to pleasure himself Good grief. Is sex always the go to for guys? Talk about damned by the lusts of the flesh.
what was for dessert?
Warm apple pie?
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Post by geddy on Apr 22, 2024 14:49:27 GMT
I'm not talking about others but rather myself as I'm not in the judgement industry. You're talking about courts of law and the legal system which is fine by me as far as passing judgement is concerned. Not all states in the United States allow capital punishment. Suppose however that a person lives in a state that does, and suppose that person offends others in a way that the law there requires a death penalty. Are you saying it is okay with you that they pay the price? Or would you hope to change the law of that state? Are you going to be Pontius Pilate and wash your hands? A problem I often find in discussing capital punishment is that there are people who cannot, or do not, distinguish a difference between capital punishment and a form of self defense that results in death. I distinguish a difference. In self defense people take an action necessary in the immediate circumstances to ensure their own life. In capital punishment a person locked up in a cage is killed. See a difference? If you would rather not talk about these things remember you do not have to talk about them. If an individual state allows for capital punishment I'm fine with that depending on the crime. In most self defense cases the charge is manslaughter which does not have the death penalty if convicted.
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