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Post by marsatax on Apr 24, 2024 18:31:55 GMT
The comparisons to the Vietnam War protests lack one important commonality: there are no U.S. troops fighting in Gaza. Which makes these protests more self-less. Back then we had the draft. So, even people who weren’t poor were fighting. A lot of the protests came down to that. The current protests is because we don’t want our money to be used to destroy a people. What horseshit. Israel is not trying to destroy a people. Even if we take Hamas's inflated figures, Israel has killed only 1.5% of the population of Gaza.
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Post by marsatax on Apr 24, 2024 18:39:28 GMT
Yes it’s definitely about the Benjamins going there which is used to buy our weapons. That I definitely agree. What’s uncomfortable to me also in this comparison is that the North Vietnamese didn’t plan to slaughter everyone in South Vietnam, which is what the Pals would do if they were able to. Yes, the North oppressed Catholics and put tens of thousands in brutal re-education camps, but most people were left alone in the South when it collapsed. I mean the people screaming “We are Hamas” are cheering for a group of odious killers and rapists. Israel wants to slaughter every Palestinian. They haven’t been more dramatic because they know world opinion would turn around quicker. I don’t like the Hamas any more than you do. But they are a radicalized group that grew out of oppression. Israel wants to slaughter every Palestinian.
Leftists come out with these "facts" on the basis of no evidence whatsoever. If Israel wanted to "slaughter every Palestinian", Israel would not waste time or resources sending warnings to the inhabitants of buildings that Israel is going to bomb. But Israel drops leaflets, makes phone calls, and "knocks" the roof. Furthermore, Israel would not have warned the inhabitants of the northern part of the Gaza Strip to move south because the north would become unsafe. Ironically, it is Hamas that wants to slaughter every Jew. And a lot of the Palestinians support them in this goal. I don’t like the Hamas any more than you do.
Rubbish. Pro-Israel people want Hamas to be destroyed. You are totally against that.
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Post by theBROKEdontrump on Apr 24, 2024 18:41:49 GMT
Not to mention they have adopted the Chinese model of capitalism and their economy is doing very well. Not nearly as well as South Korea's. It is very possible that if the US had won the war and North and South Vietnam had remained separate countries, South Vietnam would be an economic powerhouse today. South Korea and Japan, like Western Europe, benefit from a robust US military presence that allows them pour a lot of money into the economy. With that much of a hole in your budget being plugged by someone else, of course you would have a thriving "first world" economy. No other Asian nation enjoys that kind of benefit.
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Post by marsatax on Apr 24, 2024 18:43:25 GMT
1300 people murdered, women raped "A sad event" You're not a good person. And they've slaughtered AT LEAST same number of Palestinians children and women and completely destroyed any functioning economy and chance for any functioning economy in the future. I think they more than got even for that. And if Trump gets in, I predict the survivors will be placed in perpetual concentration camps with the full blessing of the USA. So now you are condemning Israel for what it MIGHT do in the future. It reminds me of MikeMonger. Whenever the Palestinians launched a terror attack or rocket attack, he would condemn Israel for what it MIGHT do in retaliation.
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Post by marsatax on Apr 24, 2024 18:47:20 GMT
Not nearly as well as South Korea's. It is very possible that if the US had won the war and North and South Vietnam had remained separate countries, South Vietnam would be an economic powerhouse today. South Korea and Japan, like Western Europe, benefit from a robust US military presence that allows them pour a lot of money into the economy. With that much of a hole in your budget being plugged by someone else, of course you would have a thriving "first world" economy. No other Asian nation enjoys that kind of benefit. Taiwan and Singapore are also prosperous pro-Western countries in Asia. In fact, Taiwan has become better than us in manufacturing microprocessor chips.
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Post by theBROKEdontrump on Apr 24, 2024 18:48:53 GMT
And they've slaughtered AT LEAST same number of Palestinians children and women and completely destroyed any functioning economy and chance for any functioning economy in the future. I think they more than got even for that. And if Trump gets in, I predict the survivors will be placed in perpetual concentration camps with the full blessing of the USA. So now you are condemning Israel for what it MIGHT do in the future. It reminds me of MikeMonger. Whenever the Palestinians launched a terror attack or rocket attack, he would condemn Israel for what it MIGHT do in retaliation. So now speculation is considered bad?
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Post by thorshairspray on Apr 24, 2024 18:57:07 GMT
Thats right, defend the person I took the piss out of, regardless of any and all considerations. And no, "tragic" doesn't fit either.
Weird how "tragic" doesn't fit for Oct 7, but it fit just fine for 9/11.
Weird how you've randomly brought up 9/11 in response here. But no, "tragic" doesn't fit there either. "Tragic" is when an accident or act of nature kills people. Terrorists murdering women and children is not tragic, its evil.
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Post by thorshairspray on Apr 24, 2024 18:58:34 GMT
Yes but why have we shifted and now they're the lowest of the low? I remember people objecting to the protests in 2020 on Covid grounds and the responses being "These protests are so important the Covid rules take a backseat". What could it be? I just read on AP news that the invasion of Rafah is coming soon and Bibi is defiant that it will happen no matter what Biden or Blinken say. this has the potential to be just like 2020…remember Trump lost some votes because he didn’t do enough to stop the violence that summer. this could all be engineered by right wing organizations to do the same thing to Biden. lol
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Post by marsatax on Apr 24, 2024 19:03:11 GMT
So now you are condemning Israel for what it MIGHT do in the future. It reminds me of MikeMonger. Whenever the Palestinians launched a terror attack or rocket attack, he would condemn Israel for what it MIGHT do in retaliation. So now speculation is considered bad? Speculation is one thing. But claiming that someone is going to commit crimes against humanity on the basis of no evidence whatsoever is wrong. It is the Arab countries, especially Lebanon, that has forced Palestinians into refugee camps, and refuses to allow them to assimilate into the general population. Ironically, Israel once tried to move Palestinians in Gaza FROM refugee camps TO permanent housing. The UN actually condemned Israel for this, and Israel had to back off. 1979 The General Assembly, 1. Calls once more upon Israel to desist from removal and resettlement of Palestinian refugees in the Gaza Strip and from destruction of their shelters; 2. Requests the Secretary-General, after consulting with the Commissioner-General of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East, to report to the General Assembly by the opening of the thirty-fifth session on Israel's compliance with paragraph 1 above. My Translation: 1. Palestinians must remain in refugee camps [their "shelters"] until the conflict is completely resolved. Any attempt to improve the lives of Palestinians by providing them with permanent housing is a ruse to keep the Palestinians from returning to the land Israel "stole." Palestinians must continue to suffer as refugees, as a weapon against Israel. 2. UNRWA is assigned to make sure Israel returns all Palestinians to their refugee camps, and stops attempting to give them permanent housing.
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Post by thorshairspray on Apr 24, 2024 19:04:56 GMT
Yes it’s definitely about the Benjamins going there which is used to buy our weapons. That I definitely agree. What’s uncomfortable to me also in this comparison is that the North Vietnamese didn’t plan to slaughter everyone in South Vietnam, which is what the Pals would do if they were able to. Yes, the North oppressed Catholics and put tens of thousands in brutal re-education camps, but most people were left alone in the South when it collapsed. I mean the people screaming “We are Hamas” are cheering for a group of odious killers and rapists. Israel wants to slaughter every Palestinian. They haven’t been more dramatic because they know world opinion would turn around quicker. I don’t like the Hamas any more than you do. But they are a radicalized group that grew out of oppression. If thats what Israel wanted, it would have happened. Israel is not a nation that gives a shit what people think about it, so this bollocks you lot spout about "yeah but it'd look bad if they did it, like, quickly or whatever" is just that. Bollocks. Israel could turn the Gaza Strip to a wasteland in days should it desire.
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Post by theBROKEdontrump on Apr 24, 2024 19:11:12 GMT
So now speculation is considered bad? Speculation is one thing. But claiming that someone is going to commit crimes against humanity on the basis of no evidence whatsoever is wrong. It is the Arab countries, especially Lebanon, that has forced Palestinians into refugee camps, and refuses to allow them to assimilate into the general population. Ironically, Israel once tried to move Palestinians in Gaza FROM refugee camps TO permanent housing. The UN actually condemned Israel for this, and Israel had to back off. 1979 The General Assembly, 1. Calls once more upon Israel to desist from removal and resettlement of Palestinian refugees in the Gaza Strip and from destruction of their shelters; 2. Requests the Secretary-General, after consulting with the Commissioner-General of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East, to report to the General Assembly by the opening of the thirty-fifth session on Israel's compliance with paragraph 1 above. My Translation: 1. Palestinians must remain in refugee camps [their "shelters"] until the conflict is completely resolved. Any attempt to improve the lives of Palestinians by providing them with permanent housing is a ruse to keep the Palestinians from returning to the land Israel "stole." Palestinians must continue to suffer as refugees, as a weapon against Israel. 2. UNRWA is assigned to make sure Israel returns all Palestinians to their refugee camps, and stops attempting to give them permanent housing. If the Arab nations don't want them, as Egypt has already said it won't take them, and their homes have all been destroyed, and they have no other relatives abroad ready to take them in (legally with the host nation's approval, of course...) then the only logical remaining solution is camps or tent cities to corral them all into. I don't think they will starve to death or be mistreated as foreign aid would be pouring in, but they would still be in a concentration camp in perpetuity until arrangement to rebuild Gaza can be made. Which is the next question - who pays? Good luck getting hamas leadership to open their wallets.
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Post by thorshairspray on Apr 24, 2024 19:11:27 GMT
Leftists - "Why you starting a culture war?
Also leftists. Degenerate, grooming scum.
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Post by dlancer on Apr 24, 2024 20:39:18 GMT
Weird how "tragic" doesn't fit for Oct 7, but it fit just fine for 9/11.
Weird how you've randomly brought up 9/11 in response here. But no, "tragic" doesn't fit there either. "Tragic" is when an accident or act of nature kills people. Terrorists murdering women and children is not tragic, its evil. Evil, sinful, wicked, blah blah blah. Might as well call it satanic because that language is all about going against god.
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Apr 24, 2024 20:46:36 GMT
Leftists - "Why you starting a culture war? Also leftists. Degenerate, grooming scum. How does this person not know that it would be dragged off stage and possibly killed within minutes if it were "performing" in a Hamas-controlled place?
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Post by thorshairspray on Apr 24, 2024 20:51:06 GMT
Weird how you've randomly brought up 9/11 in response here. But no, "tragic" doesn't fit there either. "Tragic" is when an accident or act of nature kills people. Terrorists murdering women and children is not tragic, its evil. Evil, sinful, wicked, blah blah blah. Might as well call it satanic because that language is all about going against god. Yes, because I'm well known for my devout views and adherence to scripture being an atheist and all that. Is there a word for "evil" you would prefer, dlancer?
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