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Post by san926f on Apr 26, 2024 16:54:23 GMT
I think they want Columbus to divest from the US military and never deal with Israel ever. Something like that. I saw one of them on the news last night say they want their school to "open up their books", LOL. I notice no one gives a shit about all the Ukranians and Russians being led to the slaughter for three years now. No one is protesting and demanding peace negotiations, and Ukraine has essentially gone through an entire generation of young men to maintain a fucking stalemate. They've had to conscript women and old men at this point. And how many young men has Mad Vlad just thrown in meat grinder? Where's the outrage over us funding that, with no plan for peace negotiations, for years? The outrage over lives lost with American tax dollars is very selective it seems.
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Post by san926f on Apr 26, 2024 17:00:22 GMT
Well, whatever. The difference between this protest and the protests you mentioned is the others were protesting things either happening in our country or we were directly involved with, although I admit to not knowing much about the SA protests you mentioned. Making a nuisance of yourself by setting up tents at an Ivy league school isn't going to Impact Israel's direction much. And now this dumbfuck is passive-aggresively threatening Jews on social media. American Jews are not responsible for what is happening in Gaza. This guy is basically saying his side-show poses a threat to Jewish students at Columbia University, and that should in no way be tolerated. I'm really sorry Palestinans are governed by terrorists. I'm sorry that said terrorists committed an act of terrorism in October that would have equated to 9/11 having killed over 130,000 PLUS people instead of 3000 . I'm sorry not a single neighboring Muslim country, on the border or elsewhere, will take in Palestinian refugees. I'm sorry innocent Palestinians are dying because of all of that. I truly am. But NONE of it means American punks can set up shop on college campuses and intimidate American Jews or worse. AFAIC Columbia U has been given every reason to shut this shit down as soon as clown boy here opened his mouth on social media saying he "hopes" he doesn't kill any Jews. Um, we are directly involved with what's going on in Israel. We are their largest benefactors and their largest ally. I'm sorry that you're not well informed on this matter. Yes, financially. I'm aware. We've been using Israel to launder money through defense contracts for years. Iron triangles and all that. It doesn't make anything I said less true.
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Post by Roxy on Apr 26, 2024 17:04:30 GMT
I saw one of them on the news last night say they want their school to "open up their books", LOL. I notice no one gives a shit about all the Ukranians and Russians being led to the slaughter for three years now. No one is protesting and demanding peace negotiations, and Ukraine has essentially gone through an entire generation of young men to maintain a fucking stalemate. They've had to conscript women and old men at this point. And how many young men has Mad Vlad just thrown in meat grinder? Where's the outrage over us funding that, with no plan for peace negotiations, for years? The outrage over lives lost with American tax dollars is very selective it seems. December or January, I posted the gist of this to Yggdrasil before he gave up on this forum. I included the estimated number of dead on both sides - not a controversial number, just off Wikipedia, and he raged on about how I was full of it. 🤷♀️ Maybe people tell themselves the enormity of it is a lie like he did.
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Post by bartlesby on Apr 26, 2024 17:05:22 GMT
Um, we are directly involved with what's going on in Israel. We are their largest benefactors and their largest ally. I'm sorry that you're not well informed on this matter. Yes, financially. I'm aware. We've been using Israel to launder money through defense contracts for years. Iron triangles and all that. It doesn't make anything I said less true. You just said we weren't directly connected. We are. Not only financially but in terms of the diplomatic and military coverage we provide Israel. This is not some esoteric secret. This is well known. If you don't understand even these basics, how can you understand the nature of the conflict let alone the protests arising from it? I apologize for being so condescending but it burns my toast when people come in and make statements on a serious issue like you have without having done their due diligence to inform themselves.
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Post by marsatax on Apr 26, 2024 17:45:54 GMT
I don't get what these protestors are hoping to accomplish camping out on college lawns. This is like roided-out virtue signaling. Columbia University can't do anything about Gaza, and neither can UT. This is just dumb. Fuckibg join a humanitarian aid mission to the region if you actually want to accomplish something that is going to help Palestinians. Making a nuisance of yourself and passive-aggresive threats towards Jews isn't going to impact what you think it will. A humanitarian aid mission? Why? So the IDF can blast them into bits? They've demonstrated they're not too keen on helping Gazans or accepting of those who would and I think the murder of the WCK workers highlighted this, despite being far from the only example. Protests are generally nuisances and that's the point. They're supposed to be annoying. It was annoying when black people did sit-ins at white only diners to protest segregation. It was annoying when the Vietnam protesters made a ruckus to protest the war. It was annoying when the protesters of South African apartheid formed solidarity camps to oppose Western-supported apartheid. It's supposed to demonstrate that people are pissed off and want a change of direction. Will there be assholes? Of course. There were assholes during the Civil Rights movements who shouted "Kill whitey" or took actions which would make the status quo pop their monocles. The bottom line is if what they're protesting for is morally correct. In this case, it is. Only someone who is morally compromised would think that preventing Israel from destroying Hamas is "morally correct". Hamas has openly promised to launch more October 7 massacres. Allowing that to happen means granting power to evil.
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Post by san926f on Apr 26, 2024 17:49:45 GMT
Yes, financially. I'm aware. We've been using Israel to launder money through defense contracts for years. Iron triangles and all that. It doesn't make anything I said less true. You just said we weren't directly connected. We are. Not only financially but in terms of the diplomatic and military coverage we provide Israel. This is not some esoteric secret. This is well known. If you don't understand even these basics, how can you understand the nature of the conflict let alone the protests arising from it? I apologize for being so condescending but it burns my toast when people come in and make statements on a serious issue like you have without having done their due diligence to inform themselves. It's not like we have boots on the ground, although I know we were more involved with the Iran stuff. I have been following it, and I know Israel is, and has been, an ally. I'm by no means an expert or anything, and never claimed to be What is Columbia U supposed to do about that, and should American Jews have to feel threatened over it? Why aren't these people in DC?
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Post by bartlesby on Apr 26, 2024 17:57:16 GMT
You just said we weren't directly connected. We are. Not only financially but in terms of the diplomatic and military coverage we provide Israel. This is not some esoteric secret. This is well known. If you don't understand even these basics, how can you understand the nature of the conflict let alone the protests arising from it? I apologize for being so condescending but it burns my toast when people come in and make statements on a serious issue like you have without having done their due diligence to inform themselves. It's not like we have boots on the ground, although I know we were more involved with the Iran stuff. I have been following it, and I know Israel is, and has been, an ally. I'm by no means an expert or anything, and never claimed to be What is Columbia U supposed to do about that, and should American Jews have to feel threatened over it? Why aren't these people in DC? We do have boots on the ground. You remember that pier we're building as a compromise to forcing aid into Israel through their borders? It was recently mortared. What Columbia U can do is allow the protests as they historically have. Students protest. The issue is the rapidity which this has gotten cracked down on despite the fact that not only are a lot of the protesters Jews at Columbia, but that what they are protesting is an atrocity which is killing innocent people with our support as a nation.
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