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Post by ShadowSouL Likes This on Apr 29, 2024 1:40:32 GMT
Well, in my continuing anthropological research into the connections between Christianity and porn, it seems that similar outrage does not exist, if at all, whenever a crucifix, with or without Jesus on it, is caught in the crossfire of casually exchanged bodily fluids. I wonder why there is such a disparity in reaction to these two different scenarios involving the same symbol of faith and religion. Could it be that the motivation and context for each circumstance is different? For example, the art exhibition of the crucifix in a jar of urine was clearly meant to provoke controversy and heated discussion and debate. In the case of video depictions of various acts of sexual behavior and expression, is it possible that there is no similar outrage, if any at all, perhaps because rather than being used as a centerpiece of provocation and controversy, the crucifix and sometimes the image of Jesus himself if he is depicted on the cross, are simply innocent bystanders caught unawares in a similarly drenched and moist but dramatically more heightened and climactic situation? What are people's thoughts on this?
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Post by Prince Myshkin on Apr 29, 2024 1:49:34 GMT
I have all respect in the world for Jesus as a Jewish reformer. But Piss Christ was a masterpiece. Bizarre how such a simple idea resonates culturally.
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Post by slowcomingwarbird on Apr 29, 2024 1:57:31 GMT
That a Roman Catholic adult overturned and shattered the jar and blamed it on a little kid who was subsequently banned from that museum for life.
There really isn't much more to say on the matter.
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Post by hugsfromlv426 on Apr 29, 2024 3:16:40 GMT
I have all respect in the world for Jesus as a Jewish reformer. But Piss Christ was a masterpiece. Bizarre how such a simple idea resonates culturally.
What makes it such a masterpiece?
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Post by jimmywynn on Apr 29, 2024 3:18:12 GMT
I have all respect in the world for Jesus as a Jewish reformer. But Piss Christ was a masterpiece. Bizarre how such a simple idea resonates culturally.
What?
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Post by OldSamVimes on Apr 29, 2024 3:20:48 GMT
It's a good question.
You don't see people putting an image of Mohammad in a jar of urine to provoke controversy and heated discussion and debate..
Why not?
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Post by OldSamVimes on Apr 29, 2024 3:22:01 GMT
Tomorrow I'm going to unveil my new art masterpiece.
"Buddha in a toilet full of vomit"
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Post by Prince Myshkin on Apr 29, 2024 3:48:24 GMT
I have all respect in the world for Jesus as a Jewish reformer. But Piss Christ was a masterpiece. Bizarre how such a simple idea resonates culturally.
What makes it such a masterpiece? Blasphemy as art. But the simplicity of its construction is what makes it genius. Postmodernism at its finest.
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Post by Prince Myshkin on Apr 29, 2024 3:49:26 GMT
Tomorrow I'm going to unveil my new art masterpiece. "Buddha in a toilet full of vomit" What about "Turd Netanyahu"?
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Apr 29, 2024 7:38:59 GMT
Tomorrow I'm going to unveil my new art masterpiece. "Buddha in a toilet full of vomit" What about "Turd Netanyahu"? You can do that with the absolute certainty that no rabbi will issue the Jewish equivalent of a fatwa (if such a thing exists) calling for your death, and that not a single Israeli or Jew will track you down to kill you. I wouldn't attempt to make a "Turd Khomeini" or even a "Turd Khamenei" though...
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Post by Prince Myshkin on Apr 29, 2024 7:51:15 GMT
What about "Turd Netanyahu"? You can do that with the absolute certainty that no rabbi will issue the Jewish equivalent of a fatwa (if such a thing exists) calling for your death, and that not a single Israeli or Jew will track you down to kill you. I wouldn't attempt to make a "Turd Khomeini" or even a "Turd Khamenei" though... You could make a piece of art called "Turd Saddam Hussein" or "Turd Yassir Arafat" and no fatwa would be issued either. Or you could be a 5-year-old Palestinian kid in Gaza and a rabbi might call for your death.
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Post by Stammerhead on Apr 29, 2024 9:01:02 GMT
It's a good question. You don't see people putting an image of Mohammad in a jar of urine to provoke controversy and heated discussion and debate.. Why not? Health and safety.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Apr 29, 2024 9:18:56 GMT
There is a misconception this was an art piece on display, however it was photograph in a series of cheap religious icon immersed in various liquids. From Wikipedia Immersion (Piss Christ) is a 1987 photograph by the American artist and photographer Andres Serrano. It depicts a small plastic crucifix submerged in a small glass tank of the artist's urine. The piece was a winner of the Southeastern Center for Contemporary Art's "Awards in the Visual Arts" competition,[1] which was sponsored in part by the National Endowment for the Arts, a United States Government agency that offers support and funding for artistic projects. The work generated much controversy based on assertions that it was blasphemous. Serrano said of the controversy: "I had no idea Piss Christ would get the attention it did, since I meant neither blasphemy nor offense by it. I've been a Catholic all my life, so I am a follower of Christ."[2] Description The photograph is of a small plastic crucifix submerged in what appears to be an orange liquid. The artist described the substance as his own urine in a glass.[3][4] The photograph was one of a series of photographs that Serrano had made that involved classical statuettes submerged in various fluids—milk, blood, and urine.[5] It followed two years after Serrano's 1985 work, Blood Cross. The full title of the work is Immersion (Piss Christ).[6][7] The photograph is a 60-by-40-inch (150 by 100 cm) Cibachrome print. It is glossy, and its colors are deeply saturated. The presentation is that of a golden, rosy medium, including a constellation of tiny bubbles. Without Serrano specifying the substance to be urine and without the artwork title referring to urine by another name, the viewer would not necessarily be able to differentiate between the stated medium of urine and a medium of similar appearances, such as amber or polyurethane.[8] Serrano has not ascribed overtly political content to Piss Christ and related artworks, stressing their ambiguity. He has also said that while this work is not intended to denounce religion, it alludes to the recent trend of commercializing or cheapening Christian icons in contemporary culture.[9] Subsequently, he has explicitly rejected the assertion that he was motivated by blasphemy, saying instead that it was intended as a serious work of Christian art. He said, "What it symbolizes is the way Christ died: the blood came out of him but so did the piss and the shit. Maybe if Piss Christ upsets you, it's because it gives some sense of what the crucifixion actually was like...I was born and raised a Catholic and I've been a Christian all my life."[10] The art critic Lucy R. Lippard has presented a constructive case for the formal value of Serrano's Piss Christ, which she characterizes as mysterious and beautiful.[8] She writes that the work is "a darkly beautiful photographic image… the small wood and plastic crucifix becomes virtually monumental as it floats, photographically enlarged, in a deep rosy glow that is both ominous and glorious."[11] Lippard suggests that the formal values of the image can be regarded separately from other meanings.[12]
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Post by Jep Gambardella on Apr 29, 2024 9:25:24 GMT
You can do that with the absolute certainty that no rabbi will issue the Jewish equivalent of a fatwa (if such a thing exists) calling for your death, and that not a single Israeli or Jew will track you down to kill you. I wouldn't attempt to make a "Turd Khomeini" or even a "Turd Khamenei" though... You could make a piece of art called "Turd Saddam Hussein" or "Turd Yassir Arafat" and no fatwa would be issued either. Or you could be a 5-year-old Palestinian kid in Gaza and a rabbi might call for your death. Making up things is not a nice look for you.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Apr 29, 2024 9:36:04 GMT
You could make a piece of art called "Turd Saddam Hussein" or "Turd Yassir Arafat" and no fatwa would be issued either. Or you could be a 5-year-old Palestinian kid in Gaza and a rabbi might call for your death. Making up things is not a nice look for you. I like how few actually give a piss what the artist says about it, but instead increased the scatological value in this conversation. Perhaps this what the OP means about being caught in the crossfire. Well done, OP.
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