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Post by jeffersoncody on Apr 29, 2024 10:09:02 GMT
'One vote from the end of democracy': Weissmann sounds alarm on SCOTUS immunity case.
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Post by jeffersoncody on Apr 29, 2024 11:04:43 GMT
'Genuinely shocking': Pro-Trump justices give presidential immunity case bad faith treatment
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Post by jackspicer on Apr 29, 2024 15:05:42 GMT
On the contrary, Biden is trying to end democracy by throwing his political rival in prison, and we need immunity to prevent that from happening.
I'm glad SCOTUS is restoring some sanity to the country, just as they did by striking down the undemocratic ballot removal nonsense.
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Post by mikemonger on Apr 29, 2024 15:09:34 GMT
On the contrary, Biden is trying to end democracy by throwing his political rival in prison, and we need immunity to prevent that from happening. I'm glad SCOTUS is restoring some sanity to the country, just as they did by striking down the undemocratic ballot removal nonsense. And once presidential immunity is verified Biden will just throw Trump in prison anyway, since the decision will apply to ALL presidents, not just your Dear Leader. Didn't think about that, did you? Probably because yet again you're just parroting what you've been told to think.
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Post by dk56 on Apr 29, 2024 15:20:02 GMT
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Post by averagejoe2021 on Apr 29, 2024 15:22:11 GMT
On the contrary, Biden is trying to end democracy by throwing his political rival in prison, and we need immunity to prevent that from happening. I'm glad SCOTUS is restoring some sanity to the country, just as they did by striking down the undemocratic ballot removal nonsense. And once presidential immunity is verified Biden will just throw Trump in prison anyway, since the decision will apply to ALL presidents, not just your Dear Leader. Didn't think about that, did you? Probably because yet again you're just parroting what you've been told to think. Problem with that theory is that neither the Progressives nor Constitutionalist judges seemed to even vaguely consider total immunity. One group seemed to oppose immunity while another group spoke to its limits that would be put forth by lower courts depending upon severity of individual charges. Neither side indicated any full immunity. Thus, the supposition of Biden throwing Trump in jail is just as unlikely to hold as the idea that a president has no immunity.
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Post by mikemonger on Apr 29, 2024 15:40:21 GMT
And once presidential immunity is verified Biden will just throw Trump in prison anyway, since the decision will apply to ALL presidents, not just your Dear Leader. Didn't think about that, did you? Probably because yet again you're just parroting what you've been told to think. Problem with that theory is that neither the Progressives nor Constitutionalist judges seemed to even vaguely consider total immunity. One group seemed to oppose immunity while another group spoke to its limits that would be put forth by lower courts depending upon severity of individual charges. Neither side indicated any full immunity. Thus, the supposition of Biden throwing Trump in jail is just as unlikely to hold as the idea that a president has no immunity. It comes doen to what limiter they put on it. The 'as part of presidential duties' thing is amazingly vague. I mean, what ISN'T a presidential responsibility when you're president? For example...where in the Constitution is the president required to give inflammatory speeches to crowds?
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Post by averagejoe2021 on Apr 29, 2024 15:45:24 GMT
Problem with that theory is that neither the Progressives nor Constitutionalist judges seemed to even vaguely consider total immunity. One group seemed to oppose immunity while another group spoke to its limits that would be put forth by lower courts depending upon severity of individual charges. Neither side indicated any full immunity. Thus, the supposition of Biden throwing Trump in jail is just as unlikely to hold as the idea that a president has no immunity. It comes doen to what limiter they put on it. The 'as part of presidential duties' thing is amazingly vague. I mean, what ISN'T a presidential responsibility when you're president? For example...where in the Constitution is the president required to give inflammatory speeches to crowds? I can only speculate, of course. But it seems they're kicking it back to the lower courts and having them itemize each charge and specify why it is or is not covered by presidential immunity. Then SCOTUS would take them up again to review. So if the charge of a speech was somehow connected to a subsequent riot (and was demonstrated) and then charged.... we will see what the high court determines. ****Was that a specific charge brought forward?... or was that a hypothetical?
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Post by cts1 on Apr 29, 2024 16:07:00 GMT
On the contrary, Biden is trying to end democracy by throwing his political rival in prison, and we need immunity to prevent that from happening. I'm glad SCOTUS is restoring some sanity to the country, just as they did by striking down the undemocratic ballot removal nonsense. And once presidential immunity is verified Biden will just throw Trump in prison anyway, since the decision will apply to ALL presidents, not just your Dear Leader. Didn't think about that, did you? Probably because yet again you're just parroting what you've been told to think. Oh, that is absolutely not fair! jackspicer's legal theories are so devoid of contact with the way law really works, I think they are his own work.
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Apr 29, 2024 16:09:51 GMT
'Genuinely shocking': Pro-Trump justices give presidential immunity case bad faith treatment
Is it really shocking, though?
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Apr 29, 2024 16:10:35 GMT
"The Supreme Court isn't that important!" - Bernie or Busters in 2016
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Post by Dracula on Apr 29, 2024 16:18:18 GMT
"The Supreme Court isn't that important!" - Bernie or Busters in 2016 Do you figure attacking a group that largely votes Democrat helped Hillary or helps Biden?
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Post by mikemonger on Apr 29, 2024 16:22:14 GMT
It comes doen to what limiter they put on it. The 'as part of presidential duties' thing is amazingly vague. I mean, what ISN'T a presidential responsibility when you're president? For example...where in the Constitution is the president required to give inflammatory speeches to crowds? I can only speculate, of course. But it seems they're kicking it back to the lower courts and having them itemize each charge and specify why it is or is not covered by presidential immunity. Then SCOTUS would take them up again to review. So if the charge of a speech was somehow connected to a subsequent riot (and was demonstrated) and then charged.... we will see what the high court determines. ****Was that a specific charge brought forward?... or was that a hypothetical? So...they're gonna cop out....
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Post by averagejoe2021 on Apr 29, 2024 17:28:15 GMT
I can only speculate, of course. But it seems they're kicking it back to the lower courts and having them itemize each charge and specify why it is or is not covered by presidential immunity. Then SCOTUS would take them up again to review. So if the charge of a speech was somehow connected to a subsequent riot (and was demonstrated) and then charged.... we will see what the high court determines. ****Was that a specific charge brought forward?... or was that a hypothetical? So...they're gonna cop out.... Hard to say. One might say this was their only viable option. If they let all charges stand and disregard immunity as a whole... then every subsequent president would have to worry about retroactive prosecution. Conversely, if they bought into total immunity, then the contention that a president could simply jail their opponents would be Constitutionally protected. This is the best middle ground and would be best approached on a case by cases basis depending upon the charge.
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Post by ayatollah on Apr 29, 2024 17:29:38 GMT
'One vote from the end of democracy': Weissmann sounds alarm on SCOTUS immunity case. You cheer for stopping protests and retaliating against protesters but now suddenly you're worried about democracy.
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