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Post by hugsfromlv426 on Apr 29, 2024 21:41:33 GMT
I was actually asking for you to post those numbers. do I also need to ask that they be posted in order? 2010-2019: www.prb.org/usdata/indicator/deaths/table/ - deaths went up gradually 2020: 3,383,729 - record high jump (CDC) 2021: 3,464,231 (CDC) 2022: 3,273,705 (CDC) 2023: Not sure, but I think it was less than 2022. Fewer. I think. If "it" means "deaths" it would be "fewer" if "it" is a number in comparison to the number that is being compared to the number 3,273,705 then "less" would be correct. This is getting too complicated; I might have to drop the grammar nazi thing.
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Post by Olaf Plunket on Apr 29, 2024 22:04:43 GMT
I was actually asking for you to post those numbers. do I also need to ask that they be posted in order? 2010-2019: www.prb.org/usdata/indicator/deaths/table/ - deaths went up gradually 2020: 3,383,729 - record high jump (CDC) 2021: 3,464,231 (CDC) 2022: 3,273,705 (CDC) 2023: Not sure, but I think it was less than 2022. Notice that the death rate drops from 1969 to 2010. That means people lived longer. It does not however mean they can live forever. The people who lived longer 1969-2010 had to die sometime. So the dramatic increases you imagine are really just the graph correcting itself. Now don't you wish you were as good at this as I am?
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Post by hugsfromlv426 on Apr 30, 2024 0:04:14 GMT
2010-2019: www.prb.org/usdata/indicator/deaths/table/ - deaths went up gradually 2020: 3,383,729 - record high jump (CDC) 2021: 3,464,231 (CDC) 2022: 3,273,705 (CDC) 2023: Not sure, but I think it was less than 2022. Notice that the death rate drops from 1969 to 2010. That means people lived longer. It does not however mean they can live forever. The people who lived longer 1969-2010 had to die sometime. So the dramatic increases you imagine are really just the graph correcting itself. Now don't you wish you were as good at this as I am? So it was just coincidental that a gradually increasing number of deaths suddenly had an unprecedented increase in the same year as Covid, and then began to decrease again after the worst of Covid was over, but Covid didn't cause it? 2010 2,468,435 - 1.28% increase over prior year 2011 2,515,458 - 1.90% increase over prior year 2012 2,543,279 - 1.11% increase over prior year 2013 2,596,993 - 2.11% increase over prior year 2014 2,626,418 - 1.13% increase over prior year 2015 2,712,630 - 3.28% increase over prior year 2016 2,744,248 - 1.17% increase over prior year 2017 2,813,503 - 2.52% increase over prior year 2018 2,839,205 - 0.91% increase over prior year 2019 2,854,838 - 0.55% increase over prior year 2020 3,383,729 - 18.53% increase over prior year2021 3,464,231 - 2.38% increase over prior year 2022 3,273,705 - 5.50% decrease over prior year
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Post by abbey1227 on Apr 30, 2024 1:01:09 GMT
Notice that the death rate drops from 1969 to 2010. That means people lived longer. It does not however mean they can live forever. The people who lived longer 1969-2010 had to die sometime. So the dramatic increases you imagine are really just the graph correcting itself. Now don't you wish you were as good at this as I am? So it was just coincidental that a gradually increasing number of deaths suddenly had an unprecedented increase in the same year as Covid, and then began to decrease again after the worst of Covid was over, but Covid didn't cause it? 2010 2,468,435 - 1.28% increase over prior year 2020 3,383,729 - 18.53% increase over prior year2021 3,464,231 - 2.38% increase over prior year 2022 3,273,705 - 5.50% decrease over prior year
It's interesting the rate was climbing for years. So we're more unhealthy.
THEN Covid does it's thing, especially to those with comorbidities.
THEN, after the celebrated vaccine has been given to millions upon millions........the annual death rate doesn't drop closer to previous to 2018 numbers?
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Post by Olaf Plunket on Apr 30, 2024 3:18:35 GMT
Notice that the death rate drops from 1969 to 2010. That means people lived longer. It does not however mean they can live forever. The people who lived longer 1969-2010 had to die sometime. So the dramatic increases you imagine are really just the graph correcting itself. Now don't you wish you were as good at this as I am? So it was just coincidental that a gradually increasing number of deaths suddenly had an unprecedented increase in the same year as Covid, and then began to decrease again after the worst of Covid was over, but Covid didn't cause it? 2010 2,468,435 - 1.28% increase over prior year 2011 2,515,458 - 1.90% increase over prior year 2012 2,543,279 - 1.11% increase over prior year 2013 2,596,993 - 2.11% increase over prior year 2014 2,626,418 - 1.13% increase over prior year 2015 2,712,630 - 3.28% increase over prior year 2016 2,744,248 - 1.17% increase over prior year 2017 2,813,503 - 2.52% increase over prior year 2018 2,839,205 - 0.91% increase over prior year 2019 2,854,838 - 0.55% increase over prior year 2020 3,383,729 - 18.53% increase over prior year2021 3,464,231 - 2.38% increase over prior year 2022 3,273,705 - 5.50% decrease over prior year First of all an increase of 18.53 percent does not take into account the change in the population. If the population increased by 19 percent, that would actually be a decrease in the death rate that year. Granted though an increase of 19 percent in the population is highly unrealistic and the death rate very likely did go up, probably more than 15 percent. The population during years with no census is not known and can only be roughly estimated. Even 15 percent however is very misleading. Only about 1.0226 percent of people died of anything in 2020, which should seem low for a pandemic. Using a census bureau estimate of the population in 2019 the death rate in 2019 was 0.8593 percent. Notice that if you subtract 0.8593 from 1.0226 you get 0.163 percent or about 1/6 of 1 percent. That is how much deaths increased in 2020 over 2019, 1/6 of 1 percent. Does it seem like such a big number now? However if you divide 1.0226 by 0.8593 you get 1. 19003840335157, and there is your 19 percent increase you saw in the news. That however is ridiculous for a number barely above 1 percent. The thing to take from this is that very small percentages can be expected to fluctuate considerably. For example if a specific kind of candy is about 1 percent of sales in a grocery store and the next year sales are 2 percent, you might say sales increased 100 percent by some strange math, but of course it was only 1 percent. You do have a point that the number of deaths does appear rather stable from 2010 to 2019. Since we do not know how the population changed in those years the death rate could be much more sporadic, like the sales of candy about 1 percent.
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Post by abbey1227 on Apr 30, 2024 3:23:06 GMT
Only about 1.0226 percent of people died in 2020, which should seem low for a pandemic.
How
Dare
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Post by Olaf Plunket on Apr 30, 2024 3:44:55 GMT
Only about 1.0226 percent of people died in 2020, which should seem low for a pandemic. How Dare You I didn't. I don't make up numbers. I use official sources.
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Post by abbey1227 on Apr 30, 2024 3:57:54 GMT
I didn't. I don't make up numbers. I use official sources.
you implied it was low for a pandemic.........when that was the scariest and most dangerous health issue this country has ever faced!
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Post by Olaf Plunket on Apr 30, 2024 4:36:26 GMT
I didn't. I don't make up numbers. I use official sources. you implied it was low for a pandemic.........when that was the scariest and most dangerous health issue this country has ever faced! 3390029 - 2854838 = 535191 535191 / 331499281 = 0.00161445599032838 Just saying.
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Post by abbey1227 on Apr 30, 2024 4:41:37 GMT
you implied it was low for a pandemic.........when that was the scariest and most dangerous health issue this country has ever faced! 3390029 - 2854838 = 535191 535191 / 331499281 = 0.00161445599032838 Just saying.
Yet the hysterical fearmongerers told me it was gonna be 3-4 Million by the end of 2020?
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Post by Olaf Plunket on Apr 30, 2024 11:11:24 GMT
3390029 - 2854838 = 535191 535191 / 331499281 = 0.00161445599032838 Just saying. Yet the hysterical fearmongerers told me it was gonna be 3-4 Million by the end of 2020? To be fair, it is possible some virus or other was more "transmissible" than usual. The number of people who got sick but did not die could be much higher than we can see. The people who did die could have been very close to death anyway. Instead of dying in 2021 or 2022 they died a year earlier in 2020 or 2021. You probably heard something like that already. Because the evidence is so weak, quite many explanations are possible. I myself have much confidence in the numbers. I've been depending on them many years. I think they are resilient, but when data becomes so intensely politicized as it did, the possibility someone tampers with it increases.
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Post by abbey1227 on Apr 30, 2024 11:26:29 GMT
when data becomes so intensely politicized as it did, the possibility someone tampers with it increases.
That's precisely why the more skeptical among us tend not to buy into everything the Govt says........especially when it comes from Govt funded sources.
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Post by OldSamVimes on Apr 30, 2024 11:33:30 GMT
This has always been a lmowz and rare side effect, just as it's always been known that the risk of developing a blood clot from COVID itself is much higher than from the vaccine. This is a tactic trumptards use of acting like something we already know is some new REVELATION!!!! that EXPOSES!!!!! some group or person. p.s. Keep in mind that, once upon a time, these same people scoffed at the idea that a couple hundred thousand people might die from COVID, using some bullshit "statistics" to prove that 50k max would die (i.e. about the same as the flu). That was over a million dead Americans ago.
I totally scoffed at the suggestion that 3-4 Million would die in the first 12 months But then again, I also knew that 2-3 Week lock down was a complete lie, too. Remember Joe Biden's prediction that it would be a 'winter of illness and death for the unvaccinated'? That sure didn't happen! When Omicron came out and the statistics showed the people with the most boosters were getting Omicron the most, the vaccine narrative fell apart. They stopped tracking statistics of infection rates between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated because it became embarrassing to people pushing vaccine mandates and passports.
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Post by abbey1227 on Apr 30, 2024 11:42:59 GMT
Remember Joe Biden's prediction that it would be a 'winter of illness and death for the unvaccinated'? That sure didn't happen! When Omicron came out and the statistics showed the people with the most boosters were getting Omicron the most, the vaccine narrative fell apart. They stopped tracking statistics of infection rates between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated because it became embarrassing to people pushing vaccine mandates and passports.
I'll bet they were really torn over which approach to take? Keep throwing out the names of every new variant to keep people scared? BUT keep and update the Daily Death Count? "Let's see if there's an (R) in office. No? Get rid of it for now."
Just like they've done with dead soldiers over the years.
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Post by hugsfromlv426 on Apr 30, 2024 11:50:32 GMT
So it was just coincidental that a gradually increasing number of deaths suddenly had an unprecedented increase in the same year as Covid, and then began to decrease again after the worst of Covid was over, but Covid didn't cause it? 2010 2,468,435 - 1.28% increase over prior year 2020 3,383,729 - 18.53% increase over prior year2021 3,464,231 - 2.38% increase over prior year 2022 3,273,705 - 5.50% decrease over prior year
It's interesting the rate was climbing for years. So we're more unhealthy.
THEN Covid does it's thing, especially to those with comorbidities.
THEN, after the celebrated vaccine has been given to millions upon millions........the annual death rate doesn't drop closer to previous to 2018 numbers?
No, the number of deaths was climbing for years. The rate has yet to be determined until it is compared with the population. And the number of deaths did drop, just not as much as it had increased. Possibly because half the country refused to get the vaccine.
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