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Post by PaulsLaugh on Apr 30, 2024 8:30:19 GMT
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Post by CheetahsForJesus on Apr 30, 2024 12:33:24 GMT
Jesus did not call us to take over anything...simply live like Him and pray for those in power...church and state should be separate...power corrupts Christians just as much as non- Christians...nothing wrong with serving in the government, if you have Christian beliefs and feel called to do so...but we're not to force anything on anyone...
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Post by Isapop on Apr 30, 2024 13:17:51 GMT
Jesus did not call us to take over anything...simply live like Him and pray for those in power...church and state should be separate...power corrupts Christians just as much as non- Christians...nothing wrong with serving in the government, if you have Christian beliefs and feel called to do so...but we're not to force anything on anyone... Jesus said to pray for those in power? Don't think so. Paul, maybe, not Jesus. |
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Post by CheetahsForJesus on Apr 30, 2024 13:19:11 GMT
Jesus did not call us to take over anything...simply live like Him and pray for those in power...church and state should be separate...power corrupts Christians just as much as non- Christians...nothing wrong with serving in the government, if you have Christian beliefs and feel called to do so...but we're not to force anything on anyone... Jesus said to pray for those in power? Don't think so. Paul, maybe, not Jesus. God's Word came directly from The Holy Spirit = Jesus = God |
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Post by Fetzer Zinfandel ♀︎ on Apr 30, 2024 13:20:16 GMT
Hell no.
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Post by Isapop on Apr 30, 2024 13:22:07 GMT
Jesus said to pray for those in power? Don't think so. Paul, maybe, not Jesus. God's Word came directly from The Holy Spirit = Jesus = God So, if someone said "Jesus gave us the Ten Commandments", you'd feel no correction is needed. |
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Apr 30, 2024 16:09:01 GMT
Jesus did not call us to take over anything...simply live like Him and pray for those in power...church and state should be separate...power corrupts Christians just as much as non- Christians...nothing wrong with serving in the government, if you have Christian beliefs and feel called to do so...but we're not to force anything on anyone... Jesus said to pray for those in power? Don't think so. Paul, maybe, not Jesus. What’s the difference, especially if one believes in the Bible as the inerrant Word of God. In other words, there is not one word God did not mean to be there. Christianity is more about what Paul taught any other person in the Bible or outside of it. He speaks for God as much as Jesus does. |
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Apr 30, 2024 16:13:46 GMT
Jesus said to pray for those in power? Don't think so. Paul, maybe, not Jesus. God's Word came directly from The Holy Spirit = Jesus = God Do you think the current conflict in the Middle East was preordained by God? |
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Post by Isapop on Apr 30, 2024 16:24:30 GMT
Jesus said to pray for those in power? Don't think so. Paul, maybe, not Jesus. What’s the difference, especially if one believes in the Bible as the inerrant Word of God. In other words, there is not one word God did not mean to be there. Christianity is more about what Paul taught any other person in the Bible or outside of it. He speaks for God as much as Jesus does. For some people, whether it was Jesus himself who said something will matter. So, it's good manners to avoid carelessly saying "Jesus said" when it's really "The Bible says" or "Paul said". |
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Apr 30, 2024 16:29:54 GMT
What’s the difference, especially if one believes in the Bible as the inerrant Word of God. In other words, there is not one word God did not mean to be there. Christianity is more about what Paul taught any other person in the Bible or outside of it. He speaks for God as much as Jesus does. For some people, whether it was Jesus himself who said something will matter. So, it's good manners to avoid carelessly saying "Jesus said" when it's really "The Bible says" or "Paul said". Jesus said render unto Caesar what is his and to God what is his. He also said good Jews awaiting the Kingdom Come, later interpolated as Christians, should become spiritual slaves to God. The Roman Empire by adopting Christianity made God and State one and the same. The Christian Nationalist movement is following the same model. |
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Post by Isapop on Apr 30, 2024 16:54:11 GMT
For some people, whether it was Jesus himself who said something will matter. So, it's good manners to avoid carelessly saying "Jesus said" when it's really "The Bible says" or "Paul said". Jesus said render unto Caesar what is his and to God what is his. He also said good Jews awaiting the Kingdom Come, later interpolated as Christians, should become spiritual slaves to God. The Roman Empire by adopting Christianity made God and State one and the same. The Christian Nationalist movement is following the same model. But if someone asked you "Did Jesus say to pray for those in power?", I'm sure you'd know enough not to answer yes in the way that you would say yes if the question was "Did Jesus say 'No one comes to the Father except through me'." |
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Apr 30, 2024 17:04:07 GMT
Jesus said render unto Caesar what is his and to God what is his. He also said good Jews awaiting the Kingdom Come, later interpolated as Christians, should become spiritual slaves to God. The Roman Empire by adopting Christianity made God and State one and the same. The Christian Nationalist movement is following the same model. But if someone asked you "Did Jesus say to pray for those in power?", I'm sure you'd know enough not to answer yes in the way that you would say yes if the question was "Did Jesus say 'No one comes to the Father except through me'." I’m not speaking theologically, but in practice and how these text have been used by the Church when it is aligned with the state. Certainly he speaks against the Jews in authority, though in religious, not state matters, but he never says much about Roman power. He even befriends Romans and their agents. Keep in mind both Jesus and Paul thought the end of the world preached by Jewish outliers like John the Baptist, Essenes was happening and Messiah as the new King of Israel and also the World was imminent. All nations will bow down. So any state power was immaterial to them. |
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Post by primethefirst on Apr 30, 2024 17:06:58 GMT
So I guess importing millions of Somali Christians would be acceptable in a Christian Nationalist country since nothing matters but being converted to Christianity.
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Post by Isapop on Apr 30, 2024 17:13:25 GMT
But if someone asked you "Did Jesus say to pray for those in power?", I'm sure you'd know enough not to answer yes in the way that you would say yes if the question was "Did Jesus say 'No one comes to the Father except through me'." I’m not speaking theologically, but in practice and how these text have been used by the Church when it is aligned with the state. Certainly he speaks against the Jews in authority, though in religious, not state matters, but he never says much about Roman power. He even befriends Romans and their agents. Keep in mind both Jesus and Paul thought the end of the world preached by Jewish outliers like John the Baptist, Essenes was happening and Messiah as the new King of Israel and also the World was imminent. All nations will bow down. So any state power was immaterial to them. I'm not speaking theologically either, or about Church policy or practice, or even what actually went down. You can say I'm speaking "according to the Bible". So, accordingly, it would incorrect to say that Jesus said to pray for those in authority, as it would be incorrect to say that Jesus gave us the Ten Commandments. |
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Apr 30, 2024 17:15:41 GMT
I’m not speaking theologically, but in practice and how these text have been used by the Church when it is aligned with the state. Certainly he speaks against the Jews in authority, though in religious, not state matters, but he never says much about Roman power. He even befriends Romans and their agents. Keep in mind both Jesus and Paul thought the end of the world preached by Jewish outliers like John the Baptist, Essenes was happening and Messiah as the new King of Israel and also the World was imminent. All nations will bow down. So any state power was immaterial to them. I'm not speaking theologically either, or about Church policy or practice, or even what actually went down. You can say I'm speaking "according to the Bible". So, accordingly, it would incorrect to say that Jesus said to pray for those in authority, as it would be incorrect to say that Jesus gave us the Ten Commandments. Okay, you got there however: But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, |
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