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Post by mikef6 on Aug 11, 2024 16:03:34 GMT
“In our time, when many seem to think that Christianity goes hand in hand with right-wing visions of the world, it is important to remember that there has never been a conservative prophet.
“Prophets have never been called to conserve social orders that have stratified inequities of power and privilege and wealth. Prophets have always been led to change them so all can have access to the fullest fruits of life.” – Obery Hendricks, Jr.
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Post by ShadowSouL Likes This on Aug 13, 2024 6:08:42 GMT
Current Christian prophets have more of a profit motive.
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Post by shadrack on Aug 13, 2024 23:26:50 GMT
Not sure about the "so all can have access to the fullest fruits of life" bit.
It seems to me that prophets succeed mainly in setting up new social orders that strive to concentrate power at the top just as much as the previous social orders.
In the long run, the common people are no better off. They just end up trading one set of masters for another.
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Post by papamihel on Aug 18, 2024 5:09:39 GMT
Well, duh... Prophet is a reformer by definition.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Aug 18, 2024 10:51:43 GMT
Mohammad was pretty conservative.
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Aug 18, 2024 10:53:43 GMT
Current Christian prophets have more of a profit motive. Not all of them.  |
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Post by SixOfTheRichest on Aug 22, 2024 1:45:13 GMT
Modern day prophets are only interested in reforming their bank accounts for hoarding money and to make more. Wait! They’ve always been that way.
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Post by amyghost on Aug 28, 2024 16:47:20 GMT
As in the case of Jesus and Paul, it's often enough their followers and 'interpreters' who tend to twist the original words and teachings to gain preeminence for themselves. And since this involves pandering to the masses for the optimal number of converts and more followers, that generally means playing to the lowest common denominator--who seem generally to skew conservative.
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Post by papamihel on Sept 11, 2024 5:42:40 GMT
Mohammad was pretty conservative. Clearly not. Which is why he had to flee Mecca - local polytheists thought him to be a dangerous radical. |
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Sept 11, 2024 5:53:57 GMT
Mohammad was pretty conservative. Clearly not. Which is why he had to flee Mecca - local polytheists thought him to be a dangerous radical. Narrowing down a diverse, multi-sexual pantheon to just one mean old God man, who hates the very idea of sex and especially women, is pretty conservative. Remember, Mohammad was influenced into his male-domination monotheism by following the examples of the numerous Jewish and Christian tribes he did business with. The idea he was this great warlord is silly. Mohammad was in trade and traffic, who spent more time in Jerusalem dealing with the Romans than in Mecca dealing with camel raiders. |
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Post by papamihel on Sept 11, 2024 9:37:29 GMT
Clearly not. Which is why he had to flee Mecca - local polytheists thought him to be a dangerous radical. Narrowing down a diverse, multi-sexual pantheon to just one mean old God man, who hates the very idea of sex and especially women, is pretty conservative. Remember, Mohammad was influenced into his male-domination monotheism by following the examples of the numerous Jewish and Christian tribes he did business with. The idea he was this great warlord is silly. Mohammad was in trade and traffic, who spent more time in Jerusalem dealing with the Romans than in Mecca dealing with camel raiders. There is no single "conservatism" and it's different for every culture and every age. It's simply the tendency to continue with what used to be a norm. So no, Islam was a revolutionary new system of beliefs - which the scattered Arab tries evidently needed to realize their full potential. And the previous faith (which Islam borrowed plenty from) was the tradition conservatives were unwilling to let go of. |
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Post by PaulsLaugh on Sept 12, 2024 19:43:30 GMT
Narrowing down a diverse, multi-sexual pantheon to just one mean old God man, who hates the very idea of sex and especially women, is pretty conservative. Remember, Mohammad was influenced into his male-domination monotheism by following the examples of the numerous Jewish and Christian tribes he did business with. The idea he was this great warlord is silly. Mohammad was in trade and traffic, who spent more time in Jerusalem dealing with the Romans than in Mecca dealing with camel raiders. There is no single "conservatism" and it's different for every culture and every age. It's simply the tendency to continue with what used to be a norm. So no, Islam was a revolutionary new system of beliefs - which the scattered Arab tries evidently needed to realize their full potential. And the previous faith (which Islam borrowed plenty from) was the tradition conservatives were unwilling to let go of. Monotheism may have been a revolutionary form of religious belief, though not so much by the 7th century, but the belief system itself is merely a sanctified codification of what was already the cultural norms in Mohammad’s day and society. The original Muslims came from Christian, Jewish, and pagan tribal warlords before Mohammad and the Muslims in that region are still tribal warlords. That is conservation of culture. |
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